>> they just NEVER got it right. A 727 just does not land with a 4 degrees nose down attitudeYup, you can't really fly it, just guesstimate it. You can't fly the CS on pitch attitudes, you can't fly it on fuel flow and most worse, you can't fly it on EPR. The EPR are mostly wrong and their EPR vs temp behaviour is somewhat suspicious for the next Nobel prize of physics :).I don't know if it really was the CS or another plane, but I have even seen ZERO EPR at high altitudes somewhere. Not an engine, but a vacuum cleaner then :DHowever, from what I heard about Ron Freimuth, he knows about this EPR stuff.Michael

Well, to be honest, I can't imagine how on earth DF could release a 727 and not do a better job than Captain Sim. And this is not to say that the CS727 was bad...I actually had hours of fun (and still do) with the CS727.However, the fact is that the DF727 was supposed to be released around the time of the CS727's release, but with CS's release, DF put theirs off...whether it was because of the CS release or not, doesn't really matter.In any event, DF has had about 2 years to trump CS's version in every way. There will be absolutely no excuse if the DF version is not better.If you put out a product that's already on the market, then it stands to reason that you put out a product that's better than the current offering.I would be quite suprised indeed if the DF727 isn't way better than the CS version and also has quite a few more bells and whistles. That would just simply not make any business sense whatsoever.So will the DF727 be better than the CS727..... Definitely. There's no need for debate about this. It just simply wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't. It will not be sufficient for it to be "as good as" the CS version. It has to be BETTER.......way better.Guess we'll all see when its released.

>I would be quite suprised indeed if the DF727 isn't way better>than the CS version and also has quite a few more bells and>whistles. That would just simply not make any business sense>whatsoever.One has only to go to the web site and see for yourself. Also, it's not just 'more' bells and whistles, it's making them DO what Boeing intended them to do, and operate in the proper fashion. I too fell in love with the CS offering, after all, the eye candy was great, it was heads above the rest in options, and all in all really very kool for its time, (so was FS98, ), however, it took me forever to fix, or at least come close to fixing the problems of approach and landing in that aircraft and THEY STILL AREN'T RIGHT ON THE CS 727. And please no flames, I like Alex and the group, but the honest truth is the honest truth.The flip side of that coin is that even in the first Beta from DF, (I came in halfway through the first Beta, so my first impressions could be a tad more favorable than most), this aircraft was sooooooo close that it was the biggest smile maker I've delt with.I can tell you this -- {and some may find it more difficult to fly because of the 'early' version of the AP which the 727's came with and there is no auto throttle, or autoland or LNAV or VNAV, just like the real aircraft, you have to 'fly' it, rather than program the FMC, which it doesn't have) -- from one who has flown for countless hours the 'read thing', this aircraft from DF sure rocks my boat.But hey, they will release it when they feel it is 'ready' which I would think, (just my opinion) it is oh, sooooo close. And let's not forget the Reality XP weather radar . . . sheds a whole new light on radaar in an FS aircraft that 'really' works.Enough of my running on . . . judge for yourself when it is released, but it's the one for me . . .but of coruse I'm biased LOL.BestClay http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...ers/Dopke01.jpgClayton T. Dopke (Clay)Major, USAF (retired)"Drac"

Thanks, Clay.However, on behalf of Paul and team, what I also want to avoid are "unrealistic expectations". This is not, nor will it ever be a "real" 727 for $34.95 (interesting; I just paid exactly that to fill my car with gas the other day!).One should not assume the time it took to produce the 727 was because we were making it some training device, or something like that. Not the case. "Better" is VERY subjective, and there WILL be those who will think it is not. You can be certain, however, that Paul and team did not set out to make it worse, or less detailed, or anything like that. Let's keep things in perspective, while also keeping expectations realistic.We also chart our own course, so those who expect that we made ours to emulate the CS727 should be advised that we did not. One look at the DF727's 2D panels should tell you that we do our own thing.Let's face facts, I believe our 727 costs $2 less, and includes a radar which, if purchased separately, costs $24.95! So, I advise everyone not to let their expectations go overboard.The folks who worked on the 727 all have lives, families, and in all but one case, full-time day jobs, so this alone will cause a longer production time. Also, we did not want to release even close to when CS released theirs. We wanted a nice, healthy gap in between.Ultimately, we do this knowing that we will not please everyone, and there will still be those who will prefer the CS727. That's fine.For those who keep their expectations realistic, I am quite certain they will be very, very pleased with the DF727. If nothing else, it will provide excellent value for the money, which is what we set out to provide with all our products. :-)Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

I'm a 727 nut, so I do plan to get the Dreamfleet 727 to park next to my Captain Sim 727. The Captain Sim is an excellent product, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what Dreamfleet brings to the table.Lewis "Moose" GregoryColumbia, South Carolina

im planning on getting the df 727 for sure, i didnt like the cs 727 and yes i have that - i didnt like the linear voice thing that required you did everything by the T and then sometimes it still wouldnt workciao!Brian S

As far as I'm concerned, just seeing the names Paul Golding and Dreamfleet are enough. If I had a good enough computer and 2K4 I'd buy it immediately. I'm already jealous of you guys who are going to own it. No offence intended to CaptSim at all.Gavin

Well, it seems like everyone is speaking high praise of the DF727 but I am wary for one reason. Framerates. I was one of the first to purchase the last DF commercial aircraft addon, the DF734 and the FR's were not that good. I specifically remember Lou telling people they make a high quality addon and if your computer can't run it...oh well, it's not our problem...you need to get a faster computer (I am paraphrasing the gist of the statement). In looking at the preview shots of the DF727, they look fantastic but usually that comes at the cost of high-polly counts in the bitmaps etc... While I would like to get this, I want to also be able to fly in VC mode in a fluid fashion, not a slide show. When PMDG first released the -600/700, the VC was very bad FR wise and not fluid. They re-tooled it and released an update which made things better. I for one am going to wait and see what people say about how computer resource hungry the 727 is before making my purchase.

Does the Windshield wipers work in Low,1/2,3/4 and High speeds? in the dreamfleet 727? and actually clear rain?

They actually work at low and high speed together with accompanying wiper sounds. To have 4 speed settings in FS is just taking things a little to far I think :-)Oh, and yes, they do clear the rain.http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpg

Shes a beauty! Thanks for all the hard work. Any chance though of fixing the small graphics issue in the VC where the water splashes infront of the cockpit instruments when the wipers are on? Thanks again

havnt seen that one? btw theres 3 settings for the wipers, 3/4 works as well, but wouldnt they just be as well as adding the high speed setting?