The only thing that I don't like about P3D is the defense contractor that's behind it. LM has leached so much tax payer money from governement contracts, black budget projects, and god only know what else over half a century. I'm really not a supporter of the military industrial complex, and they are one of the big players. I almost feel like the academic license should be free, but that is my own opinion.  

The only thing that I don't like about P3D is the defense contractor that's behind it. LM has leached so much tax payer money from governement contracts, black budget projects, and god only know what else over half a century. I'm really not a supporter of the military industrial complex, and they are one of the big players. I almost feel like the academic license should be free, but that is my own opinion.

I am not American, so it doesn't matter to me. But that is a political argument, which might sure risk closing this thread.

 

All P3DV2 threads seem to be entering silly and repetitive territory.

The only thing that I don't like about P3D is the defense contractor that's behind it. LM has leached so much tax payer money from governement contracts, black budget projects, and god only know what else over half a century. I'm really not a supporter of the military industrial complex, and they are one of the big players. I almost feel like the academic license should be free, but that is my own opinion.  

 

A lot of companys have thier hands in the defense contractor pie, some you might never expect, ones that make every day things so there is no reason imo to hate just one as you never know who they are until you start looking. Remeber LM have a space division as well as they are partners with Boeing on that project.

 

The planet is not as nice as it use to be and the risks of being human are getting worse.

 All P3DV2 threads seem to be entering silly and repetitive territory.

 

Oh boy! Is THAT ever the truth!

 

Vic

I wasn't really intending on a political arguement, just wanted to feed off the thread title, as it is the ONLY thing that kind of bothers me. Otherwise more power to LM, and I really hope they take P3D places where MS failed to deliver.

Let's not go political guys. That WILL get the thread shut down post haste.

_{I would say that everyone is very excited about this. P3D has been around for a while and to all intent and purpose it is virtually identical to FSX warts and all.}

_{We are all anticipating the V2 is going to change all of that and it has been along time coming for all of us. Expectations are high and I do believe that those expectation in the main will be meet.}

_{It will not be perfect and there will be room for improvement. The point is that it is foundational because at its core there is a new modern graphics engine. Flight Sim is about to chance in a big way.}

_{V2 will be followed by V2.1 and so on and so forth. In a year from now the crying will be all but over and we will all fly happily ever after. There will be harmony in the forum.......}

 

_{And Pigs will Fly! :LMAO:} 

And Pigs will Fly

 

Based upon 18 years of experiences in these forums with FS2000, FS2004, FLY!, PROPILOT, FSX, ad naseum - all of which were expected to be the "end all - be all" for simmers that so many were predicting at the time, and then the outcome when reality bit the various pieces of everyone's anatomy who had made those predictions, I agree.

There is no perfect sim out there,just compromises.

FSX - Good interface

P3D V2 - DX11 better memory management (hopfully

X-Plane 64-bit - no more OOM  - dreadful interface.

The main theme coming through in all these P3D threads is an angst because a lot of people still view their FS hobby as "one or the other" in terms of platform, for some reason.    I saw this is in the PMDG forum today;  people in distress at having to 'leave the NGX behind' when they move to P3D.

 

Are people's hard drives really so small that they can't keep both sims installed, and use the best of both? :smile:

The main theme coming through in all these P3D threads is an angst because a lot of people still view their FS hobby as "one or the other" in terms of platform, for some reason.    I saw this is in the PMDG forum today;  people in distress at having to 'leave the NGX behind' when they move to P3D.

 

Are people's hard drives really so small that they can't keep both sims installed, and use the best of both? :smile:

That's what I do

SSD for FSX, and P3D, Win7 on standard HD

I would have  to saybased on my 20 or so on again off again interest in Flight Sim, I am perfectly happy with my current FSX arrangement on my new Haswell build. It is the first time I have ever been satisfied with Flight Sim. FSX works beautifully on well setup Haswell build. Mind you I dropped $4000. Don't tell my wife!

SSD for FSX, and P3D, Win7 on standard HD

 

Exactly Very similar here Jude; except I just have two separate HDs; one with FSX on and one with P3D and AeroFlyFS on.  :smile: .... never tried the whole SSD thing yet.

The main theme coming through in all these P3D threads is an angst because a lot of people still view their FS hobby as "one or the other" in terms of platform, for some reason.    I saw this is in the PMDG forum today;  people in distress at having to 'leave the NGX behind' when they move to P3D.

 

Are people's hard drives really so small that they can't keep both sims installed, and use the best of both? :smile:

 

People keep trivializing this issue.  Assuming P3Dv2 is the enhancement that people assume it will be, it stands a good chance of creating an uncomfortable choice to use a particularly good airplane in a lesser sim versus an airplane that they would otherwise rather not use, in a much enhanced environment.   There is also the cost of maintaining two similar but different sims.  Will it be wise to continue buying things for FSX, if P3Dv2 takes off, and a particular addon is liscensed for single use in either one or the other?  There are lots of valid issues one can anticipate having to deal with here, and I personally don't see running P3Dv2 and FSX simultaneously forever as the 'no-brainer' that some are making it out to be.  A similar situation exists with FS9 v FSX.  Some people can fly a particular airplane in FSX and then go back to FS9 for another without suffering any particular immersion loss, but others would prefer a more consistent experience.  The best of both worlds would be someones favorite airplane inside the best flight simulation platform, and some might be inclined to see those people off as being rigid or unenlightened, but that's the way it is, and it's going to be a real factor as people decide whether they should embrace P3Dv2, stick with FSX, or try to see if they can be comfortable with both at the same time.   

People keep trivializing this issue.  Assuming P3Dv2 is the enhancement that people assume it will be, it stands a good chance of creating an uncomfortable choice to use a particularly good airplane in a lesser sim versus an airplane that they would rather not use, in a much enhanced environment.   There is also the cost of maintaining two similar but different sims.  The best of both worlds would be someones favorite airplane inside the best flight simulation platform.  

 

You may be right.

 

But many people have managed this quandry for years (or they certainly did in the not too distant past), with FSX and FS9.

 

Although I haven't used FS9 for three years now, for a period of about 2-3 years I used and enjoyed both platforms in tandem; utilizing both for what they were best at.

 

As good as P3D 2.0 may be, I can't see it instantly making FSX obsolete or irrelevent.