Please do not misunderstand me. I love this beautiful aircraft but the only thing is the 172 page !!! manual to fly this plane. I can accept that they tried to be as real to the original as possible for those who have a

DF said, up front, that this wasn't a "kick the tires and light the fires" aircraft model... No modern aircraft that I know of has a basic manual. You either do it right or it doesn't fly for very long, if at all. The checklists are about as basic as it gets for this bird. Start with the aircraft in the ready for taxi mode, then use the QRH beginning with the "After Start Checklist" - no big deal once you've done it a few times. It only looks complicated because you aren't used to it yet.DJ

You think that's bad, try the ATR - almost 500 pages on that one. There's a tutorial flight PDF included that shows you everything you have to do...

Yes, the DF 727 (and the F1 ATR) represent the `must fly it right` school of simulation. Frankly, if you buy either of these and want to just `go fly` you bought the wrong thing. Completely.The ATR manual is intergrated with the tutorials in such a way as to make the tutorial useless unless you have read and understood the manual. The tutorial is not a short cut, it's a summation of what you're expected to have learned. But with practice you can get the ATR from cold and dark into the air in less than 5 minutes. Less if you've understood the configuration utility (which has its own separate manual)If you want to fly jets the easy way, stick to the easy defaults or the less challenging payware. I don't see why the developers need to make any concessions other than doing what they are doing - making it quite clear the product is not for shortcut seekers.Allcott

compared to the literally thousands of pages (and probably tens of thousands if you include the entire doc set, not just the pilot docs) I'd call 172 pages a rather compressed manual :)Make it much less and people will start to complain that the manual isn't in-depth enough or is too concise...

I know it can look like a lot Stelios, but there really are plenty of shortcuts for those that want to take them, including using the QRH or tutorial.If all you want to do is load it and fly, as said already in this thread, use Config Manager to save the Ready to Taxi setup. All you need is the lights on and go.To save you reading a few pages, I'll even tell you how to avoid the noises :-)Set flaps 15 and +5 of trim.When you've more time to read the manual you'll be able to do Cold and Dark to taxiing out in less than 10 minutes with ease.......it's as real as you have the time to make it and because of the amount of time and effort real world 727 pilots put in to help in developing the flight model, you can happily fly short hops or even just circuits without ever worrying about how to use the AP.Hope this helps some :-)http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpg

>Please do not misunderstand me. I love this beautiful>aircraft but the only thing is the 172 page !!! manual to fly>this plane. I can accept that they tried to be as real to the>original as possible for those who have a

Thanks Paul for the tips. I agree with you though that I have to do some reading. I just have to get some time away from the wife and kids and do some serious reading...with the company of some Cabernet Sauvignion wine and Biltong of course....Stelios

The more realistic the better. Use default AC if ya want start and go.

So because not everybody has time to flip through hundred page manuals to fly that means they should just stick to default aircraft? What if I want the realistic feel of flying an aircraft (actually flying, not letting the AP do everything) that doesn't feel like a cessna on steroids like every default plane? and what if I want all the bells and whistles like the ATR and 727 from Flight1?

>So because not everybody has time to flip through hundred>page manuals to fly that means they should just stick to>default aircraft? What if I want the realistic feel of flying>an aircraft (actually flying, not letting the AP do>everything) that doesn't feel like a cessna on steroids like>every default plane? and what if I want all the bells and>whistles like the ATR and 727 from Flight1?I don't understand you seem to be contradicting yourself here?

You cant seem to have a thread in forum that has somone getting insulted on behalf of another person. Give me a break. He didnt say anything other than if you want to go right away and fly use the default aircraft. Dont see any harm in that.Andrew

I mean visual bells and whistles are what I want. I like the option of having engines started ready to taxi like more companies are doing now. Things like this are what cuts down prep time for people like me without a lot of time to fly.

That's what you can have with the 727, just needs selecting in the Config Manager.http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpg

Don't you have to read that in the manual ;);)RegardsRussell Jourdain (NZL007/ZK-RHJ)