I love flying the PMDG NGX and I mostly simulate flying SAS routes. However, I am longing for to get to know real (or closer to real) life SOP. I realize that the SOP is company specifik, but what does an SOP look like in general? And where is my best shot to see one without becoming a professional pilot?

I am very sorry for the triple post. WiFi error...

Hello Vulkan,  First of all, you must sign your Posts or PMDG will get a bit miffed with you. Its the rule.  Secondly if you read all the manuals thoroughly provided by PMDG plus the Tutorial I think you will find yourself very close to what an SOP will look like, and you will feel you have achieved something.  Richard Welsh.

For the 777 (which is all I fly) - I personally have my own SOP, or flow adopted for the aircraft that I use every time. It's made up from a few different companies procedures and been made to help manage Single-Pilot Resource Management. 

The SOP is equivalent to the FCOM. It's a company written version of it. It may follow a similar order and differ in detail, or it may be in a company format.

 

You might find unauthorised copies of airline SOPs online but not necessarily the airline you want. Your best bet might be to buy a SAS 737NG cockpit DVD and follow their operating procedures from that.

 

 

The SOP is equivalent to the FCOM. It's a company written version of it. It may follow a similar order and differ in detail, or it may be in a company format.

 

Not at all.

 

A manual is a manual, SOP stands for standart operating procedures. 

Yes, a company specific FCOM is a part of learning about SOP. But then there is OM.B, OM.C, and various other related or non-related manuals, and line instructors that are meant to teach you about SOP and how to implement information in manuals into daily flying.

Not at all.

 

A manual is a manual, SOP stands for standart operating procedures. 

Yes, a company specific FCOM is a part of learning about SOP. But then there is OM.B, OM.C, and various other related or non-related manuals, and line instructors that are meant to teach you about SOP and how to implement information in manuals into daily flying.

I know exactly what SOP stands for. Everything relating to operating an aircraft in accordance with company procedures should be in the operating manual(s) produced by that company.  Now it may well be that an airline uses standard manufacturers procedures and does not modify the FCOM, in which case there may well be additional procedures relating to operations which aren't covered by the FCOM.

 

Either way the FCOM, as per manufacturer standard or otherwise modified, is a major part of the SOP if not the whole of it.  Therefore to say "Not at all" is misleading.

For the 777 (which is all I fly) - I personally have my own SOP, or flow adopted for the aircraft that I use every time. It's made up from a few different companies procedures and been made to help manage Single-Pilot Resource Management. 

 

 

ahhhh.. you wouldn't want to share that with anyone would you?  I would love to get a copy of that if I could.  pm me

Not at all.

 

A manual is a manual, SOP stands for standart operating procedures. 

Yes, a company specific FCOM is a part of learning about SOP. But then there is OM.B, OM.C, and various other related or non-related manuals, and line instructors that are meant to teach you about SOP and how to implement information in manuals into daily flying.

I was always under the impression you flew for an airline? The FCTM & FCOM is a huge integral part of a companies SOP & Philosophy.

 

Confused as to why you would think Kevin is mistaken?

 

 

The FCTM & FCOM is a huge integral part of a companies SOP & Philosophy.

 

It is, but it is not be all, end all of it.

 

Of course, FCOM is an integral part of SOP (Or rather of the writedown of the SOP), but does not account to everything. A company specific manual is a good start, but I consider a simmer who wants to immerse himself in the simulation enough to consider stuff such as SOP of a specific carrier, that he should also look for other parts of what constitutes SOP and company culture.

 

 

 

Confused as to why you would think Kevin is mistaken?

 

Looking back, I indeed could have (and should have) chosen better words. The part I disagree with is, what I gathered from Kevins post, that FCOM=SOP. Get a SAS FCOM and you are all set. Getting a SAS FCOM would send the OP well on his way to understand SAS modus operandi, and, if so decided, try and fly as SAS does, but it is not all there is to it.

Thanks for the reply Peter. It really seemed to me that that Kevin was simplifying for the sake of the OP. Anyway, I'm sure the OP has enough info to start searching.

 

Cheers

ahhhh.. you wouldn't want to share that with anyone would you?  I would love to get a copy of that if I could.  pm me

 

I was actually thinking the other day about writing the SOP I personally use into a PDF file. I'm sure I'll have some time to kill flying home to London tomorrow - so maybe I'll do it then for you and whoever wants it. 

Not at all.

 

A manual is a manual, SOP stands for standart operating procedures. 

Yes, a company specific FCOM is a part of learning about SOP. But then there is OM.B, OM.C, and various other related or non-related manuals, and line instructors that are meant to teach you about SOP and how to implement information in manuals into daily flying.

+10 !

I was actually thinking the other day about writing the SOP I personally use into a PDF file. I'm sure I'll have some time to kill flying home to London tomorrow - so maybe I'll do it then for you and whoever wants it. 

 

 

nice! thanks

Hello Vulkan,  First of all, you must sign your Posts or PMDG will get a bit miffed with you. Its the rule.  Secondly if you read all the manuals thoroughly provided by PMDG plus the Tutorial I think you will find yourself very close to what an SOP will look like, and you will feel you have achieved something.  Richard Welsh.

Thanks for the reply. I don't really understand that rule, what do you mean by sign the post?

 

Anyway, I am a legal customer and I have bought the captains pack with the manuals, and read them. But maybe I was a bit unclear in my question. What I am looking for is the procedures that is connected to flying an airline jet (in my example SAS). I am not talking about the normal procedures or supplemental procedures. What I meant was the SOP that is happening around the cockpit. I like to imagine what is happening, it gives me a better immersion. So what I am looking for is the SOP to learn the procedures boarding time, boarding complete, how the cabin secure message is delivered, type of cabin warning system (for instance SAS is using chimes, not spoken warning prior takeoff or landing), that sort of thing. Is that possible to read somewhere?

 

 

what do you mean by sign the post?

 

Your name is supposed to be written under the post.

 

 

 

What I meant was the SOP that is happening around the cockpit. I like to imagine what is happening, it gives me a better immersion. So what I am looking for is the SOP to learn the procedures boarding time, boarding complete, how the cabin secure message is delivered, type of cabin warning system (for instance SAS is using chimes, not spoken warning prior takeoff or landing), that sort of thing. Is that possible to read somewhere?

 

That is in those operating manuals other than FCOM. You would probably have to have a friend in the airline to get those. OM A, COM (or I think I have seen CCOM), maybe GHM would also give you an insight.