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I just signed up and worked though one of the included demo's. The only thing I can say is WOW! Talk about adding to the realism! That program understood ever word I spoke in to the microphone. Not one hiccup. Something of a learning curve, but not anymore then anything else I suppose. Just remembering the order of things, but for real pilots, I'd think that it would be quite a bit easier. There were a couple of things I didn't like, or at least couldn't figure out how to do. I have ActiveCamera installed and haven't figured out a good taxi view position. The default outside view worked okay. Also, once you disable the built in ATC, you no longer can request a progressive taxi (pink lines). So, without a map of the airport (KMCI), I got a little turned around.But, I suppose a map of whatever AP I was at would work, huh.. :-)Anyway, I suggest if you have any interest at all in speaking your ATC, try it. Pretty durn cool.Dondo

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I tried it too-and there are some very impressive things about this program.What I didn't like is the terminolgy wasn't exactly correct-not the procedures or wording at least I use in the US. The program expects you to say back that terminology-usually word for word or it doesn't understand.Second thing are the robot voices. No way around it I am sure-but they do destroy a lot of realism.I am 50/50 on it-will try it more though.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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well I tried to install the demo but it said that "Cannot detect FS" :-roll I even put the installer in the FS2004 root folder but still it couldn't detect the sim. FS2004 works fine though and is in the Windows XP registry... weird.Jani

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Have you renamed the "Flight Simulator 9" folder to "FS2004" or some other name? Have you moved "Flight Simulator 9" to a different folder or drive? Either of these can interfere with the installation. I am not sure about this last tip but if you are using the no-cd exe file that might also interfere, not sure if the installation program is looking for the "Flight Simulator 9" folder or a specific file in that folder.Hope this helps,Zane

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I've been using it for a month now. Gets better the more you use it, especially when you start flying around an area you are familiar with. You can set up your local IFR flights to use a standard departure (SID) which will be given by name, you will then be instructed to join the airway by name (ie "victor one eight two") or fly direct to a navaid, once again by name. There are still a few areas regarding non-tower airport use that need some tweaking but overall I find it very realistic. You don't get the option of saying some of the abbreviated phrases like in real life, you have to say the whole thing, ie. if you are given a ground frequency of 121.7 you can't say "ground on point seven", not a big deal though. Much better prep or practice for real flying than hunting for the correct number to press after reading through the selections.Dondo, for making your way to the runway after a taxi assignment you can go to "ctrl-s" to get an overhead view, locate the runway you are assigned. Jot down the letters given in your taxi instruction on a notepad and look for the taxiway signs, these won't tell you which way to turn but if you looked at the overhead view you will have a pretty good idea of which way to head.I'm lovin' it,Zane

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Hello All, I installed the program last evening, and played with it for over 3 hours. In the long run I got it operate as advertised, however, before I would plunk down over 30 US dollars, I would have to fly it alot more than I have, in different areas. (am I missing something here?)The voices are a bit too robotic, however if this program learnes as it goes, they should get better. Sometimes you just can't get a response from ATC at all, but perhaps that will get better also.There is always going to be dispute on phrasing between different pilots, as one follows the lingo by the book and others desire to add their own 'special' touches and flair . . . go figure.Again, an interesting program, and in time, perhaps I may buy it, but not just yet. I will have to spend alot more time with it to make it worth over 30 bucks.Best to all,Clayhttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...ers/Dopke01.jpgClayton T. Dopke (Clay)Major, USAF (retired)"Drac"

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How does VoxATC handle the AI traffic. Any better or worse than the default MS ATC? Do you still have A/C bunched up on approach and separation issues?It does sound interesting. Thank you all for your comments so far. The demo is in my area (KOMA) so I may give it a try this weekend.Regards,Trevor

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Im getting "Fatal error,disable VoxATC" when trying to enable it.I dont know what im doing wrong?I've disabled the default ATC system,ai traffic and i got the flight plan already loaded (VoxATC Kansas City Intl to Eppley VFR.FLT).Im working with WinXP SP2.Anyone got the same problem?Thx

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forgetting about the voice recognition aspect for a minute, im really curious to know just how well the vector guidance works, especially regarding approaches. Does it give good approach vectors, are you able to do different types of approaches, etc?Dave

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Dave,The program seemed to point me in all the proper directions, however last evening my main concern was just to get it to function and for me to somewhat get use to the program.I'll take a more serious look at the vectoring and such this evening and try to put it through it's paces.Clayhttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...ers/Dopke01.jpgClayton T. Dopke (Clay)Major, USAF (retired)"Drac"

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>How does VoxATC handle the AI traffic. Any better or worse>than the default MS ATC? Do you still have A/C bunched up on>approach and separation issues?>>It does sound interesting. Thank you all for your comments so>far. The demo is in my area (KOMA) so I may give it a try>this weekend.>>Regards,>TrevorI have heard that it does not handle AI Traffic at all! That would be a huge limitation. Can anybody confirm this?

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>>I have heard that it does not handle AI Traffic at all! That>would be a huge limitation. Can anybody confirm this?Yes traffic percent is to be set at 0, so you are alone up there, not much need for ATC then :)OHN

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>>I have heard that it does not handle AI Traffic at all! That>would be a huge limitation. Can anybody confirm this?>Correct, although it does generate chatter. I guess you just have to use your imagination :). I'm not sold on this product yet, since the AI thing is a real hangup in my book. If we could only combine VoxATC with Radar Contact 4 ...

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You will hear other traffic over the radio, you can also set the program so that it will vector you around traffic. While on approach you will be given speed assignments which is a way that ATC will sequence arrivals at an airport so the overall affect is very realistic. What you will miss is seeing other traffic in and around airports as well as on the ground. Seeing traffic around the airport (at a great distance) and on the ground are the only places you want to see traffic when flying in real life anyway. As a real pilot I will take the increased realism of the ATC over plane watching anyday. I've only had one instance in 18 years of flying where I had another aircraft get close enough I could see how many people were inside, just fine if that doesn't happen again :)Zane

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Hi Zane,Sounds intereresting. Does the program have enoygh of a database to have intersections and/or LOM/OM names for different approaches? You mentioned speed controls above and wondereed if they were used with respect to fixes? Of course, that would require approach plates which is also more real-life.Thanks, Bruce.

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As an addendum to the comments-it would sure be nice if you could try some scenerios other than the 3 that come with the demo.I tried the vfr flight-and found it expected me to open a vfr flight plan in between ground control and tower-requesting over the FSS frequency.This seemed rather strange to me-usually can't get the FSS freq. on the ground-and I don't think I'd want to open the plan till confirmed in flight.Also-it required the word "international" before each request...e.g. "international ground, blah blah", "international tower". I don't mind minor changes or different wording, but there were definately a few wierd ones in addition to this.I also usually hit a brick wall at least at some point where the program did a "say again" 3-4 times before understanding. I tried the "emergency" and only got "say again" back-never did get my emergency request in.Again, an interesting program with lots of potential.I look forward to seeing others experiences before I consider purchase.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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Hello Geoffrey,All those names are indexed from the FS2004 database so some of them will use longer versions than expected. I frequently fly out of Twin Oaks in Hillsboro, Oregon which is owned by Bob Stark. Since the name in FS2004 is Stark's Twin Oaks that is what I have to say with VoxATC. The developer has attempted to write a file so that most abbreviations are turned into the whole word, hence the international. The FSS procedure when you are at a non-tower airport assumes you have already telephoned FSS and opened your flight plan, which is something you can really do. I am sure that if enough people request a change to some kind of uniform system it will get implemented.If you are having trouble with recognition of some words make sure you run the flight plan trainer for the flight you are noticing the difficulty.Zane

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There is an indexing program that runs on initial installation and you have to re-run this if you add any more aircraft or scenery. Intersections, VORs and NDBs are called by name. The speed assignments are generally not given out to GA aircraft, usually faster jets and if you are hightailing it in a turboprop and I haven't noticed any relation to fixes for these speed assignments.Zane

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I only got the word "international" however. Shouldn't it have said Kansas City International (the demo airport)since that is in the database?The Fss scenerio I was speaking of was at the demo of Kansas City International-instead of opening the vfr flight plan in the air after takeoff-it was opened on the ground thru the radio -switching off ground and calling on the fss radio freq. before switching to tower-right at the takeoff position. Seems a little wierd to me...I did do the flight plan training.Most of the time the recognition works great-but there do seem to be some times of difficulty-and I could never get the emergency function to work at all.Anyway-would be nice if I could try it in a scenerio like my home airport to evaluate what it can really do.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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Could anyone possibly me send me the demo file so that I may try this out, provided it's allowed? I registered last night with the intention of trying it out today, only to find out downloads were suspended. If it isn't allowed to pass this on, I understand, just was really looking to try this one out. If need be, I suppose I could wait til downloads become available again.If not a problem, you can send it to Press4MECO@aol.com

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I am not sure of which line of the airport information Tegwyn is pulling the information, I have figured out how he gets the aircraft name and it's not what the default ATC uses. That is probably why "International" is being used instead of Kansas City International, actually it might be referred to as "International" so anyone actually flying in or around pipe up if you know.This FSS scenario is probably assuming calling FSS as part of the run up, I know that the switch to tower frequency is happening from quite a distance from the hold short point so this timing problem might be making it look this way.I think that the default voice training probably should have some of the emergency wording included. An option would be to activate the voice recognition in MS Word and train through that program for some of the wording used in the emergency procedures.Hope this helps,Zane

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It's a 51.2 MB file and probably not allowed since you had to register to get access to download in the first place. Hopefully they will get their server problems handled soon, I imagine they have met with a much higher download demand than they expected.Zane

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The FSWide question is a good one since it mentions something about setup of Wide Client in the manual. Seems unlikely though.David

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Hi,I am not a pilot in real life, but I play one in my free time and have been flying FS flight sim for the past 12 years at least. I Just wanted to add my two cents. I have been using VoxATC for about 4 weeks and can say that it adds so much to the immersion factor. I enjoy flying mostly GA flights around my local area of North Shore Boston MA, New Hampshire and Maine and have found that it adds greatly to the realism and the cockpit workload. The accuracy of recognition rate is probably in the high 90's percentile for me. Very little repeating of calls and readbacks. The vectoring has worked well also. Although VoxATC does not integrate with the FS AI planes the generated chatter is realistic and you wouldn't see other planes very close (hopefully) in real life any way, as was mentioned previously.The digitally generated voices are not an issue for me. After a couple of flights I honestly don't even notice them. The speech rate and pitch is varied to some degree for different frequencies and other traffic calls so you do not always hear the same voice over and over.This program adds so much to the realism of FS for me and I recommend to others to give it a try. For those who have issues with hearing the digital voices all I can say is you do get used to it to the point it doesn't really interfere with the immersion of the sim.My best to the team that developed this add on and hope they continue to develop it in the future.Regards,Tom

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