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New DELL : Will FS9+add-ons run incredibly well on this?

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Will this PC configuration ever hiccup with FS9 and traditional add-ons (PMDG, Fly Tampa!, UT, PSS Concorde, RFP, etc.)? It will never be connected to the internet. It will be used for FS and nothing else.Appreciate views, thanks!JSDell Dimension XPS Series - Gen 4 Pentium

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Ill trade you computers.. :-jumpy haha, just seeing the 3.8 w/HT, i know its a kick @$$ sys. Dont worry about anything. Just be concerned about making others crying for a system like yours.

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>>Will this PC configuration ever hiccup with FS9 and>traditional add-ons (PMDG, Fly Tampa!, UT, PSS Concorde, RFP,>etc.)? Yes.Dave Blevins

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That's one nice rig JS, all you're missing is the new SLI techology with the dual vid card. To bad it takes something like that for FS to run at it's fullest.I have all but given up on FS. Been playing DOOM3, Halflife and designing for the SIMS 2 and they all run great on the rig I built for FS 8 months ago.Best of luck with it!Regards, MichaelKDFWhttp://www.calvirair.com/mcpics/PBTMCa.jpgCalVirAir International VACalVirAir International

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Guest ThomasE

Hi JS,very nice system!FS2004 will run smooth here, but also you will feel like sitting next to the turbine of an 747...this machine will be very loud!(I read about something like 6 sone...)I recently put together a similar system by myself:P4 3.6 GHz HT 800 FSB, 2x 1Gb Corsair RAM DDR2 533MHz, Leadtek 6800GTO 256 MB PCI Express, 2x 160 Gb Samsung Harddrives SATA-Raid,16x DVD +/-/+- Dualdrive, 7.1 Sound on Board, Thermaltake XASER III with 7 (!) Coolers.My rig is also getting very loud, these 3.6 and 3.8 Pentium cpu

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Guest vas_yan

Consider AMD. Why don't you buy one of those http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/processors/amd4000_fx55/ instead? I don't know the current prices but any AMD 64+ will beat the respective P4 in gaming and it will cost less. Also I agree with the poster who said that SLI is the way to go for ultimate performance. As for your system never having framerate issues...rest assured that you will certainly find a situation to bring it to its knees. You don't even have to try too much...just increase the vc gauge refresh rate of the pmdg 737, go to a nice simflyers airport full of AI (JFK will do), dial in some nasty weather and enjoy the slideshow on final...Regards,

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Guest Paul Heaney

What are you people talking about, Slideshow?Running a Dell XPS Gen 4 system here I bought a Month ago, P4 3.6 Radeon X800 and I've yet to see that slideshow you are talking about, and I'm maxed out.Don't worry, it will run great.

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hi,i have almost the same system for two weeks now,the only difference is i have the 3.4ee processor.in my opinion,it was not worth the money,i did have better performance in clouds,but hardly any better into busy airports plus the pauses are unsolveable for me.then i managed to mess things up and used the reinstall cd,and the machine is not the same as when i started.maybe the 3.8 is better,i should have went with that one.all the best

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Everybody:Thanks for your replies and comments. Everything noted.What is this new video card SLI technology (dual slots, etc.?) and would I be better advised for that to come out at this stage? Or is it just gonna be like waiting for Godot....?JS

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Thomas:Nice reply and helpful.Noise is important. It must be QUIET ! Thanks again.JS

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Guest Mike_Luchia

I see this "Monitors Video Ready w/o Monitor" but no mention of what monitor you are going with, or are you using your current monitor? I am curious as I am looking at the same system from Dell.

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This is a great system, you won't get much better.But if you are looking for a PC that will guarantee you 30+ fps for ANY available addon combination: this system simply doesn't exist (yet).Without a shadow of a doubt there will be people that claim: "my system never gets lower than 30+ fps, with everything maxed out"Well, you simply haven't tried everything yet.Example: just try the freeware NL2000 scenery, at EHAM (which, I admit, is an extremely complex scenery); I assure that at some areas on this airport you will never get more then 15 fps.Even when using a simple, default FS aircraft.Regards, Rob

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If you're already considering waiting for SLI (which FS9 really does not take advantage of) and if you feel comformtable only with Intel processors, then you should also consider waiting for the new Intel 64-bit processors that are supposed to come out soon in conjunciton with the new 64-bit MS Win OS. Normally, I would say don't worry too much about waiting for technological improvements as often the time spent waiting for them is not worth the time you could have spent enjoying new equipment. However, with a new operating system lurking around the corner I'm not so sure.

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Guest cw1011

Couple things:1. The newest Intel chips run really hot - thus very little room to overclock. Actually, you can't overclock anything - dell's bios won't let you. 2. You can get a great mobo, a AMD 64 3.5 gig chip (retail with fan) for about $500. This combo will run close to the dell, and allow you to OC to your heart's content. Will probably fit into your old case. Also, I'd rather have a consumer version of a high end video card than an OEM. I want to make sure that Dell isn't skimping. 3. FS9 does not support SLI at this time. No word on whether the next gen will. It will work for some games though, but I find that FS9 is my most demanding program. 4. Overall performance will be strong. On my rig (amd 64 3.5, AV8 mobo, 1gig ddr 3200 and a an ATI x800 xt platinum, my sim runs much, much smoother and pegs out at 23 or 27 on the fps meter when limited to these numbers most of the time. Even with a strong rig though, you will see drops into double digits in heavy clouds, or on approach into really complex airfields. But, it will be much less hiccupy.Good luck.

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Guest Paul Heaney

Let me elaborate on this NOISE issue, as I have practically the same system you have.What Noise?Even with FS9 Maxed out, heating the hell out of the processor, the noise is a WHISPER!

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Hi JS,I have an almost identical Dell XPS except I have the Gen 3 3.6GHz variety with 2GB of RAM and the 256MB ATI X800XT.Yes the system allows FS9 to run very nicely but I still suffer with the problematic stutters when turning on the ground at large airports while using the PMDG 737 and Ultimate Traffic with AI at 75% as well as the very annoying texture tile popping when switching views while airborne. I use the default scenery. FPS is locked at 30FPS and pretty much stays there all the time with occasional dips into the low to mid twenties in heavy cumulus clouds.I've incorporated practically every single tweak known to man to eliminate these problems but nothing has helped. I want to believe there's a magic bullet out there but I'm starting to think there might not be.However, don't let this bum you out... the FS9 experience is still awesome with the machine, visually stunning! And no doubt there are those out there with lesser systems that are getting even better performance than I do with this powerhouse... go figure :)I still love it in spite of the issues :)DougDell XPS Gen3 (3.6GHz/800FSB)2GB DDR SDRAM (533 MHz)74GB SATA, 10k RPM (C: ) & 120GB SATA (D: )ATI Radeon x800 XT (Catalyst 4.12)Audigy 2 ZS Sound (latest drivers)MS Force Feedback 2WindowsXP Pro (SP2)DirectX 9.0c

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Doug:I think I understand your note although I find it mildly amazing. The impact of FS generally on PCs defeats almost all of us in one way or another, doesn't it? Unbelievable!I am seriously wondering what kind of improvement I shall see switching from my existing DELL P4 rig which is 2.53Ghz and has a Ti4600 card. Having done massive amounts of tweaking over a prolonged period of time, and having switched off anti aliasing once again in 1600x1200 res, I generally get rather decent performance in most modes and with most add-ons. Cap is 22fps and it stays there till I hit dense cumulus when it falls to a range of 6 to 12 as I pass through the soup.My goal in getting a super high end P4 like the stuff I outlined above would be to ensure something totally smoooooooth even if frames are not necessarily 75/sec. But I would hope for at least 30 fps all the time, if not 40. I do find it slightly appalling that clouds can still impact a hi-end PC with a massive video card such as yours. And yeah I get your point, FS9 is still satisfying with your rig. But it's like, whoa! when does this sim work beautifully all the time and with everything?Answer: It probably can't be done.Or am I going overboard the other way now? (!)JS

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Guest byoung

Not to rain on any parades, but buying a top of the line system for a premium price is a waste of money.Intel is in a HUGE slump right now with processor development and advancment. Intel used to double processing speed every year, but they are stuck on 3.x which isn't that great of an improvement over my 2.5 GHZ P4. At least from what I am hearing. Does anybody know what the latest AMD processors run on the GHZ scale? I have a 2.5 GHZ P4 which I bought two + years ago, and the latest thing out is JUST a 3.4. Maybe the HT would help, but I can't see buying a new processor / motherboard to gain 5 FPS.Barry

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Guest Len

I just got a similar system:P4 3.6 GHz with HT 800 FSB, 1gig ram, Radeon X800XT 256 mb.Bottom line: high density clouds will kill your system. High AI will also bring your system down. Nice system but I find myself making compromises like I did with my former system (2.8 ghz, ATI 9700TX 128 mb, 1 gig ram, 533 FSB) although I do notice a much smoother overall feel to flying and taxiing with the periodic but inevitable stutters.

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Man, a depressing post! I am just surfing the DELL XPS Gen 4 site again and looking at whole systems, vid cards, monitors, you name it.I feel like going to bed and saving $3K!JS

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Guest av84fun

Ditto. I have nearly the exact same rig. The only thing the naw sayers are correct about is that it cost an arm and a leg. I just decided that I wanted smooth simming or none at all and decided to throw money at the problem. I worked!I haven't yet tried to bring the rig to its knees with massive amounts of (in my case, unwanted AI traffic) or too many cloud layers etc.) But I can do steep turns over ORD or LAX and with the fps locked at 45, I get a MINIMUM of 44.6.I haven't tried to crank fps any higher because I think doing so would be visually useless.You are going to be totally thrilled with your new rig.Regards

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