Im not real fond a of being a public beta tester for that platform either! Specially for a 66 billion dollar corporation. I'm glad to help out the little guy Flight sim developers.

 

And yet you would have jumped at the chance to beta test FS9 and FSX, probably did , plenty around here did back in the day, was that because they were only a $24.5bn corporation ?

 

I get it, you like FSX but look at it this way, the ACES team that brought you FSX got fired.

They are now at LM trying their best to bring you FS11 and yet some of you still push back.

And yet you would have jumped at the chance to beta test FS9 and FSX, probably did , plenty around here did back in the day, was that because they were only a $24.5bn corporation ?

 

I get it, you like FSX but look at it this way, the ACES team that brought you FSX got fired.

They are now at LM trying their best to bring you FS11 and yet some of you still push back.

 

Hear, Hear!

The irony....

Jessy.....

First like what has been said already just enjoy whichever platform you choose.

 

Second, as of right now P3D is the platform of the future for FS.  I was resistant to making the transfer, mainly the lack of PMDG and a few others. Now that most developers have acknowledged P3D as being a true step forward, I went all in. I do not regret that choice one bit. After the v2.2 I have not seen a OOM. I have not had as much time as I would like, but I have had enough time to tell things are going in a direction I like.

 

P3D is keeping this hobby alive for me at the moment. In FSX I would experience crashes/OOM frequently which totally killed FS for me. Understand I have thrown thousands of dollars at FS, in computer hardware and add-ons. I have been addicted to FS since 5.1 and to see MS ruin my hobby with Flight ( Epic Fail MS and the 3rd Party developers tried to warn you), LM P3D has saved me with 2.2.  

 

I will say this FSX days are numbered....

Thanks will.  Believe me I would not be here if weren't interested. I'm here cause I want to weigh my options.  Heck, the biggest problem we all met with FSX was performance. If P3D uses all cores, gives eye-candy, and supports SLI, then heck why would I wait. However, I need to do my research, and ask, and request good examples. Honestly, someone has discouraged me, and others have encourage me. I'll wait, but maybe not for too long. Anyway, good discussion.

 

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I need to go tweak my PSU                (ok, that's not tweak-a-ble)

I'm here cause I want to weigh my options.

 

Jesse, it's not like you are buying a bigger house or making a career change, it's like $10 to find out for yourself.

Now as to FSX and P3d, I calculate it will be some time in 2025 ...

 

 

One thing to keep in mind here though, is that the current FSX forum section was long ago the standard MSFS section dating back to at least the FS2K2 days. IIRC the current FS2004 section was created after FSX released because of how dramatic things got  :lol:

 

A very sizable portion of the threads in the current FSX section are pre-FSX, by a number of years.

Jesse, it's not like you are buying a bigger house or making a career change, it's like $10 to find out for yourself.

 

This is exactly what it finally came down to for me, though I didn't go the monthly route.

 

Pre-release of 2.0, there was a thread or two where I asked some of the very same questions and made some of the very same points as Jessy...basically, why P3D ? 

 

I eventually decided that it was worth the few bucks just to satisfy curiosity, and support development that wasn't going to happen anywhere else. There is a long list of things I would like to see improved, but that said, I have no regrets at all, and I am completely satisfied, if not 100% with P3Dv2 itself, than definitely with the way in which LM are handling development.

 

If you really have no desire/willingness to work around a few bugs now and then, and aren't interested in participating in making things better, than maybe it would be best to wait and stick with what you have. Nothing wrong with that. 

 

I've personally enjoyed the experience, but to each their own.

very same questions and made some of the very same points as Jessy...basically, why P3D ?

 

The thread title is "I'm disappointed" ... the OP has indicated they haven't tried P3D.  Call me crazy, but usually for me to feel "disappointed" I have to actually experienced something that will initiate disappointment.  

 

"Why P3D?" is an entirely different question than what the OP formulated and had it been formulated well, the responses would have been drastically different.

 

I'm still not seeing any 'name calling' here, other than the OP saying "Finally someone with a Brain" which is somewhat inflammatory as it is suggesting others are stupid ... thread isn't on watch status, so it seems to have been deemed pretty friendly.

 

I'm all for constructive criticism, but one must first "construct" that criticism if they are truly interested in helpful and informative responses.

 

Cheers, Rob.

I dunno Rob, I think there is enough information floating around the various fora now, that someone willing to sift through it should be able to come to a reasonably informed conclusion.

 

It's the same way I know that today's X-Plane isn't for me, and I haven't owned that for a few versions now. ( I think v6 maybe ? I dunno, too long ago, too old to remember :lol:  )

 

Now I personally wouldn't go make a thread about X-Plane, as it wouldn't really serve a purpose, and I also wouldn't go so far as to say I am disappointed with it, but hey, it is a discussion forum, so I guess I don't really see the issue. (I hadn't caught the "someone with a brain" comment, but still)

 

This thread is no worse than some of the members here, owners or not, that have been ragging P3Dv2 since day one, and that's still tolerated. 

 

At the end of the day, I think there is actually quite a bit of frustration over the state of things, up to and including P3Dv2. I enjoy P3Dv2 quite a bit, but it really isn't revolutionary. It absolutely can be frustrating to see all of the advances in tech that we've gone through since 2007, to have only now started taking any real steps to catch up, and relatively small ones at that. I assure you that I understand why that is the case, but even while enjoying all of the new things LM has brought, I still have moments where I will cuss the old, creaky underpinnings for being so old and creaky.  :Skull:

 

After I finish my tantrums, I always come back to the position that the only way it will ever get better is if we support those that try to make it so. Not everyone might have the patience to do the same, though, and to be quite honest, if there aren't some radical changes within the next 3-5 years, I probably won't either.

 

Just my 2c, not taking any sides.  :drinks:

 (I hadn't caught the "someone with a brain" comment, but still)

 

 

That's because she didn't actually say "[finally] someone with a brain." as Rob quotes her.   She said "This guy has some brains! Thanks again, sir !"  while trying to be complimentary of a particular post that advised her to pay attention to practicality when weighing her options. Whether one agrees with the complement or not, I only see someone trying to be kind, not someone operating with disdainful sarcasm towards others, as Rob is reading into it.  I think his inference that she meant to imply others were therefore stupid, is a misinterpretation.  In fact, she was quite kind to everybody, even those who were mocking her.

I have recently been visiting this forum and the FSX forums, and there's one thing in common that I have noticed. I was hopping P3D would be much better than FSX ; however it disappoints me to go back and forth between forums and see the same topics: errors, crashes, graphics, fps, problems here- problems there, tweaks here, teaks there. So, what's the point of moving to P3D if it's the same product with just a little bit of make-up? I'm disappointed.

Jessy, you have some valid points.  Since P3D is in a state of quite rapid development it will be common to read about not only problems or bugs, but more often, users' lack of knowledge of what is happening for example in new features like cloud shadowing.  I'm very guilty there I know!  FSX on the other hand is stable and essentially unchanged from a core perspective, kinda like your average dead person!  And therein lies the problem w/ FSX--it's over, performance won't improve much over time unless there is a quantum jump on single-core performance and certainly hasn't happened in the last three Intel processors.  Jumping in to P3D now is an opportunity to play w/ some very enhanced graphics and after all, part of the intrigue is getting closer the suspension of disbelief and part of that is enhanced, more realistic 'make-up'.   In terms of core changes that add real value, it appears SLI will have a substantial impact on performance, which will not be the case w/ FSX, ever.

In terms of core changes that add real value, it appears SLI will have a substantial impact on performance, which will not be the case w/ FSX, ever.

 

Which could,IMO,  price it out of the game for the majority of simmers.

Which could,IMO,  price it out of the game for the majority of simmers.

 

Well, not necessarily.  True SLI capability shouldn't make it worse for single card user. 

 

Expensive though, hell yes.  SLI is my big game-changing criteria, that starts to make it really worthwhile for me to do a full migration, and I want two fast cards, but also cards that have a substanstial amount of Vram.  At first I was thinking two Titans, and then the more I thought about it, it's like "It wouldn't hurt to wait a little while" :lol:

Which could,IMO,  price it out of the game for the majority of simmers.

I don't know about that.  In 1990 or so I bought my first PC.  The blithering thing was a 486DX 33Mhz, had a whopping 8Mb of ram ($400), and had a Sony CD-rom ($400, no kidding!), a 15" Viewsonic CRT, one 120mb Maxtor HDD, a SB audio card, an ATI video card of sorts, and a dialup modem.  Win 3.1.  I think the grand total was in the neighborhood of $2500 in 1990 $.  Nowadays you can do the whole banana w/ SLI'd 780's for the same price if you shop carefully, not even adjusting for inflation.

Hey, a "little bit of makeup" can go a long way, see below, I'm not just saying this to be funny but I'm trying to make a point

 

 

 

BTW, before I forget and sign off for the night, and as a bit of an aside, regarding the before and after makeover pictures on page 3:

 

I actually like the "before" women, plain as they may be, better than the hussied up "after" version with the fake eyelashes.  I think it cheapens them and makes them something they aren't.