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A Big +1 for the Carenado Phenom

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After waffling back and forth between the FeelThere and the Carenado Phenom, I am happy to report satisfaction with the Carenado. On my system, for the first flight I took at least, I have very little FPS impact, the model is gorgeous, and everything worked as expected. Flying P3D 1.4 (yeah, I know: what a Luddite!), it was smooth and problem free.

 

After installation, I did a cold and dark start, flight plan loaded courtesy of Plan-G (no FMC challenges), I went through a mental checklist and got everything started. G1000 track and range settings, engine start, etc. I even discovered the secret handshake for setting the target cabin pressure! Everything worked. And the VC is beeeyooooteeefullll... Man, when I turn on the instrument lights and dim it just right it is a marvelous view!

 

Take-off was a bit sketchy, as did not have the ATR (Automatic Thrust Reserve) engaged (as others have observed), and rolling down the runway my engine monitor flashed blood-red as I advanced the throttle. However, since I was only packing 50% fuel I was able to back off, take advantage of a long runway, and lift off without issue. Climb was a bit anemic (the T-Duke pulverizes this little jet in climbing ability), but I think if I had RTFM I would have found the ATR setting for greater thrust. As it were, 2,000 fpm up until 8K, 1,500 up until 12K, and 1K up to my test flight altitude of 15K. A little bit of a fuel hog, but that is probably due to my lack of ATR and not going high enough.

 

No issues with panning, changing viewpoints, nothing. Nice and smooth, and a pretty well locked-on 29.x to 30 fps. Even when going through a thunder storm! (Opus weather engine).

 

On landing I came in way too high, but thought I would try a hairball approach anyway. Full flaps, gear extended, and everything was good, if 3,000 fpm descent is good... That proved to be just a bit too hairball so I went around. That was the only time I saw a stutter - on the turn back. Nonetheless, she feels like a good hand flyer (it is not as if I would know!), smooth and predictable. Greased the landing, albeit halfway down a very long runway.

 

I know there are some in in the community that disapprove of the depth of Carenado flight models, and I may find things pop up as I continue exploring. But my first impression is overwhelmingly positive: every system that I wanted to enable from cold and dark worked, the AP worked as it should for my limited test, and it flew like one would expect a VLJ (if slightly under-powered) to fly.

 

You may be frustrated if you are a Q400 or PMG pilot, but if you are like me, a "student" who only recently understood the appeal of cold and dark starts, understanding all the systems that go into making it work, and want to move from GA props to jets, I think you will really like the Carenado Phenom 100.

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Glad to hear you're getting a lot of enjoyment out of this aircraft....she sure is pretty.

 

 


Take-off was a bit sketchy, as did not have the ATR (Automatic Thrust Reserve) engaged (as others have observed), and rolling down the runway my engine monitor flashed blood-red as I advanced the throttle. However, since I was only packing 50% fuel I was able to back off, take advantage of a long runway, and lift off without issue. Climb was a bit anemic (the T-Duke pulverizes this little jet in climbing ability), but I think if I had RTFM I would have found the ATR setting for greater thrust. As it were, 2,000 fpm up until 8K, 1,500 up until 12K, and 1K up to my test flight altitude of 15K. A little bit of a fuel hog, but that is probably due to my lack of ATR and not going high enough.

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Just some info for you on the ATR system. It is designed to automatically bump up the engine power in the event of an engine failure on takeoff / initial climb. This system replaces the need for the pilot to push the power levers past the friction stop at the takeoff setting to max power in the event of an engine failure. It does not increase available power for a normal takeoff.

 

Currently, with proper takeoff power set in the Carenado Phenom, the ITT indications will be through the roof....at any temperature I've tried. Keeping the ITT out of the red will result in much lower than normal takeoff power. The real aircraft can operate in and out of 4,000ft strips with a decent load.

 

It will also climb healthily up past FL300 at max gross weight. You shouldn't see 1,000fpm until you're well up into the flight levels.

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Currently, with proper takeoff power set in the Carenado Phenom, the ITT indications will be through the roof....at any temperature I've tried. Keeping the ITT out of the red will result in much lower than normal takeoff power. The real aircraft can operate in and out of 4,000ft strips with a decent load.

 

Thanks for the information, DaviiB. Hopefully this is on the fix-list for SP1. It would be great if it not only looked like a hot-rod, but flew like one as well.

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I'm still waiting for SP updates before jumping to that aircraft from carenado. I will love to have it in my hangar since I have the Honda jet that looks similar to the phenom 100 but without the accurate cockpit panel. I can tell you that it is a pleasure to fly these VLJ, it's in between the small aircraft like B200, caravan or tbm and big jets like 737 or EMB 190... So you have more power than small aircraft, cockpit of big jets and flying style of both.

 

I really want to have a private jet (citation, dassault or gulfstream...) for FSX and could not find a good one or I might be ignorant. Can someone recommend me one maybe. So far the Phenom 100 from carenado was the only option I had but with all the issues I've read I'm still waiting before making a decision on acquiring it.

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What Mad Dog said.

 

I usually limit myself to aircraft that seat six or less, but the new projects from Eaglesoft (the Citation CJ1+) and MilViz (Beechcraft 350i) are eagerly awaited. Gotta move up the food chain... :P

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The Eaglesoft Citation X is in a class all its own. I highly recommend it. It's a great jet for short hops and long hauls. Just the other day I flew from KSFO to KPSP at FL430 and 0.91M. It was a short flight. ;) Great hand flying aircraft too. Back to topic...

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Just an FYI.

 

The SP1 for the Phenom really helped with the problems with performance. While not quite a hot-rod in the class of a Learjet or the T-Duke you can climb with authority now, and throttle behavior is much more consistent.

 

Now it is truly a nice little jet: good performance, good flyer, and beyoootiful.    :P

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But they are still not simulating a Phenom's Fadec and Autopilot modes correctly, right?

If you can confirm that these are now implemented then I will buy this aircraft today.

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But they are still not simulating a Phenom's Fadec and Autopilot modes correctly, right?

If you can confirm that these are now implemented then I will buy this aircraft today.

No their not. Its extremely dumbed down.

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I hoped that some of the AP functions and the FADEC would have been reworked given some of the negative feedback.

It does seem that Carenado have hit a winning formula with their many fans, but a real shame for the rest who enjoy accuracy in their sims.

Looks lovely though, but regretfully I will have to pass on this one and wait patiently for someone to develop another good small jet.

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I suspect this is proving to be their best-selling add-on in a long time, and for good reason! What a beauty.

 

A beauty that does not simulate a Phenom, And that is such a shame.

Are you really ok with the addon not operating correctly, is it all just about the graphics for you ?

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good info

I am flying the feelthere Phenom quite a bit and love its character.

 

But I dont care for its cabin graphics (exterior is great tho) nor its constantly jerking yokes.... and was thinking of getting the Carenado, but I also want the iFly737 and should only get one or the other.

 

Now if the Carenado would just climb/descend using the FLC and cruise with the CSR (may have spelt these incorrectly) I'd be happier with getting it too.

 

On the other hand the Feelthere does not allow inflight modifications to the flight plan, nor can you make your own from scratch on the tarmack. All has to be fed via the sim's f-planner, which so far has been remedied with the use of Pro-ATCX for which in-flight approach insertions are updated on correctly.

 

SO, in conclusion: I plead will someone please make up my mind??

I cannot seem to  :wacko:

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Could you please elaborate on what you mean with respect to Pro-ATCX?

Are changes literally shown in the GPS and NAV display?

Thanks,

Fabio

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good info

I am flying the feelthere Phenom quite a bit and love its character.

 

But I dont care for its cabin graphics (exterior is great tho) nor its constantly jerking yokes.... and was thinking of getting the Carenado, but I also want the iFly737 and should only get one or the other.

 

Now if the Carenado would just climb/descend using the FLC and cruise with the CSR (may have spelt these incorrectly) I'd be happier with getting it too.

 

On the other hand the Feelthere does not allow inflight modifications to the flight plan, nor can you make your own from scratch on the tarmack. All has to be fed via the sim's f-planner, which so far has been remedied with the use of Pro-ATCX for which in-flight approach insertions are updated on correctly.

 

SO, in conclusion: I plead will someone please make up my mind??

I cannot seem to  :wacko:

If you want a solid bizjet, hold out for the ESDG Citation XLS+.

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good info

I am flying the feelthere Phenom quite a bit and love its character.

 

But I dont care for its cabin graphics (exterior is great tho) nor its constantly jerking yokes.... and was thinking of getting the Carenado, but I also want the iFly737 and should only get one or the other.

 

Now if the Carenado would just climb/descend using the FLC and cruise with the CSR (may have spelt these incorrectly) I'd be happier with getting it too.

 

On the other hand the Feelthere does not allow inflight modifications to the flight plan, nor can you make your own from scratch on the tarmack. All has to be fed via the sim's f-planner, which so far has been remedied with the use of Pro-ATCX for which in-flight approach insertions are updated on correctly.

 

SO, in conclusion: I plead will someone please make up my mind??

I cannot seem to  :wacko:

 

I'd go for the iFly.....far more bang for your buck. (or even the NGX if you haven't looked at it).

 

 

The Carenado Phenom is a beautiful model, however as has been noted:

 

 - FLC mode has been replaced with an autothrottle / speed hold

 - CSC  (not CSR :P ) is inop. Ironically, this is closer in reality to an autothrottle / spd hold than FLC.

 - Internal sounds are off

 - FADEC is non-existant. (ATR, CLB and CON modes on the engine page have no effect)

 - System pages in the G1000 prodigy are modeled, but don't function correctly (for Elec / Pneumatics / Fuel pages)

 - Takeoff Config test button is missing completely

 - Very high breakaway thrust

 - She doesn't quite fly right (but then...most aircraft in FSX don't either)....I've noticed quite a bit of opposite aileron required to hold a bank angle.

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

 

On another note......Hopefully Carenado will step up and either make an effort to better simulate the aircraft they model, OR stick to aircraft with basic systems. There are TONS of piston singles and twins, with very simple systems, that could benefit from Carenado's talented modelling team and good reputation for aircraft of that nature.

 

As a bizjet fan, I am now concerned that Carenado will start pumping out pretty, but ultimately low-quality executive jets every few months, preventing other developers from ever doing them properly.

 

Perhaps MilViz or Eaglesoft can team up with Carendao and drop their ProLine 21 suites into the Hawker 850 Carenado is developing  :ph34r: .

 

Hint for the developers: I am willing to pay SIGNIFICANTLY more for a Hawker 850 with properly simulated systems and a model / textures done by Carenado.

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If you want a solid bizjet, hold out for the ESDG Citation XLS+.

 

That is on the insta-buy list.

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As a bizjet fan, I am now concerned that Carenado will start pumping out pretty, but ultimately low-quality executive jets every few months, preventing other developers from ever doing them properly.

 

This is exactly my worry, we have very few good Biz jets in FSX but hopefully Carenado offering pretty but badly simulated jets will not prevent other Devs from entering this market.

 

Hopefully Milviz will use their Proline21 in a Jet before long.

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Could you please elaborate on what you mean with respect to Pro-ATCX?

Are changes literally shown in the GPS and NAV display?

Thanks,

Fabio

yes it feeds any changes right in the flight plan as needed

 

Does this not occur with the Carenado?

 

Now I am in windows 8 and P3DV22 if that makes a diff

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Hint for the developers: I am willing to pay SIGNIFICANTLY more for a Hawker 850 with properly simulated systems and a model / textures done by Carenado.

 

+1

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Thanks, but I just want to clarify (as I'm not clear what your Carenado comment mean).

 

The NAV flight path lines and flight plan waypoints in the flight plan list update on the ND of aircraft (GPS) when you add:change flight plans mid flight using Pro-ATCX?

 

This would apply to FSX aircraft, 3rd party ones such as RealAir (Reality XP equipped?), AND Carenado G1000 style aircraft such as the Phenom?

 

If so, that is brilliant, and thanks for pointing it out!

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It does so for the Phenom (feelthere) by simply updating the P3DV22's interior flight plan which is then automatically up dated on the ND.

You have to have the correct path's AND most importantly click on the little button on the top of the Options/"IN-Flight" page that says whether you are in FSX or P3D

 

The Feelthere Phenom reads it right away, updates, changes, even direct to another waypoint, skips to the one chosen.

Does not the Carenado Phenom do that?

 

Allen

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Sorry to have participated.

 

I'll let the club intent on using any reference to Carenado's Phenom as an excuse to advertise the perfection of Feelthere's or Justflight's (who as a result I will never buy anything from now, btw) have their way.

 

Funny how that works. Good luck with your marketing campaign for old software. May you get 2 more buyers.

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