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Hi to all,

 

I'm looking to get a completely new build over the summer to finally bring my simming experience up to date  :biggrin:

It'll be FSX for now, but I'll probably be adding P3D at some point soon.

 

I have something like this in mind (probably a package system from PC Specialist - not enough experience of building systems myself):

 

Case: COOLERMASTER CM STORM TROOPER

CPU: Intel® Core™i7-4790k Quad Core (4.00GHz @ max 4.70GHz)

Motherboard: ASUS® MAXIMUS VII GENE: RoG, PCI-e 3.0, SATA 3.0, USB3.0

Memory: 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X BEAST DUAL-DDR3 2133MHz X.M.P (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card: 3GB GTX 780

Power Supply: CORSAIR 750W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET

Processor Cooling: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler

 

I'd really appreciate your help with these questions:

 

- Would the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO be enough? The Corsair H80i and H100i are options, but I've read about noise issues with the H100i and software problems with Corsair Link. Or should I just buy a 4790k and stick with the CPU's stock speed with turbo boost to 4.4GHz?

 

- How is the motherboard choice? My other options are Asus Z97-A / Maximus VII Ranger / Sabertooth Z97 Mk1

- Power Supply: 750W/850W or more?

 

Any other thoughts/advice would be gratefully received!

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I have just (in the past hour) rebuild my machine after one too many Blue Screen of Death.

I went for the Asus Z97-A mobo. Corsair 850 Gold PSU and 8 gig of DDR3 ram.

The mobo has an automated selection of performance in bios. Default to "normal" and also has "Asus Enhanced" which I have selected.

I can see what it does is over clock my ram and boost the CPU to 4.6 when needed.

That is the theory anyway. I need to reinstall my sim in the next 24 hours and then it is play time, but what I have seen so far is impressive.

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- Would the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO be enough? The Corsair H80i and H100i are options, but I've read about noise issues with the H100i and software problems with Corsair Link. Or should I just buy a 4790k and stick with the CPU's stock speed with turbo boost to 4.4GHz?

I would check to see if the Thermalright Archon SB-E X2 fits in your case. It cools beautifully and no RAM clearance issues. You may find that the new Noctua NH-D15 fits. Noctua have redesigned the legendary D14 so that ram clearance is better.

 

If AIO's are your thing, look at the Corsair H105. No Corsair software to worry about, cools great. It is noisy at full tilt, but I doubt you would ever find it ramping up that high in normal use. Cools great at lower RPM.

 

Don't know if the Corsair H110 fits in your case - probably not - if it does it's the best bet. Worth changing your case for to be honest.

 

Then we have the Kraken X60. Very noisy at full whack, but still cools great at lower and quieter RPM.

 

So plenty of options.

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Motherboards: Either of the ones you listed are fine.  Just get the one that has the features you need.  There is no reason to pay for features you will never use. 

 

Memory: If I am reading what you posted correctly you are getting one stick of 8GB memory.  If this is correct that is a terrible idea.  For the memory to run at optimum performance on a Z97 MB you need 2 sticks or 4 sticks with a total capacity of 8GB.  This memory for Z97 is really good and runs at the rated speed / timings with no issues.  On my system I even run it at 1T instead of the rated 2T.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231638

 

Power Supply: You need one that is rated for Hawell so it will handle the C-States of the CPU correctly.  750W for one GPU is fine.  Personally I like plenty of reserve and use a 860W Corsair rated for Haswell.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139041

 

GPU: A GTX780 is a great choice.  Do not get one cooled by water, get one with fans and cooled by air.  When you buy just get the fastest one available that you can afford at the time you buy.  Right now on Newegg this is the fasted GTX780 they have.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125488

If you want to spend the money you could get a GTX780TI, this is the fastest one in stock at Newegg, but it is also $340.00 more, probably really not worth the extra money.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487037

 

If you get a case other than the HAF-X make sure the GPU you buy will fit in the case before you buy the GPU.  Some of these GPU's are pretty long and will not fit is some cases.

 

HSF: I have no experience with the Hyper 212 EVO so I can not comment on how good or bad it is.  I use the Thermalright Archon SB-E x2.  I used Coollaboratory Liquid Pro for the thermal interface.  The combination of these two ran a 4770K overclocked to 4.4GHz while running OCCT's CPU:OCCT Large Data Set 64b and CPU:Linpack AVX Capable 64b.  The highest core temp was 86C with CPU:Linpack AVX Capable 64b .  With these two you would be able to run your 4790K under full load at the default turbo boost of 4.4GHz without a heat issue.  You could even overclock it so it ran at 4.4GHz all the time if you wanted.  With this combination and a delidded 4770K I run my mine at 4.7GHz and the highest core temp with CPU:Linpack AVX Capable 64b is 78C.

http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Archon-SB-E-X2-Heatpipes/dp/B00ADTOKPO/ref=sr_1_1/184-7579016-4806433?ie=UTF8&qid=1404220484&sr=8-1&keywords=thermalright+archon+sb-e+x2

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3784/thr-26/Coollaboratory_Liquid_PRO_Thermal_Interface_Material.html?tl=c127s451b74

 

Case: One of the most important things is a case is airflow: getting hot air out and cooler outside air in.  The CM Storm Trooper does not have a fan on the side so I would not get one.  For not much more you can get a Cooler Master HAF-X.  This case has excellent airflow and is what I have used in my last to builds.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225

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Contrary to popular belief, side fans aren't required. Most of us over cool rather than under cool.

 

There is no such thing! You cant beat the Coolermaster HAF cases for cooling and cable management.

 

An H80i will cool just as well, with 1 or 2 degrees as a 100/110 and take up less space plus quieter.

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Hi to all,

 

I'm looking to get a completely new build over the summer to finally bring my simming experience up to date  :biggrin:

It'll be FSX for now, but I'll probably be adding P3D at some point soon.

 

I have something like this in mind (probably a package system from PC Specialist - not enough experience of building systems myself):

 

Case: COOLERMASTER CM STORM TROOPER

CPU: Intel® Core™i7-4790k Quad Core (4.00GHz @ max 4.70GHz)

Motherboard: ASUS® MAXIMUS VII GENE: RoG, PCI-e 3.0, SATA 3.0, USB3.0

Memory: 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X BEAST DUAL-DDR3 2133MHz X.M.P (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card: 3GB GTX 780

Power Supply: CORSAIR 750W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET

Processor Cooling: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler

 

I'd really appreciate your help with these questions:

 

- Would the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO be enough? The Corsair H80i and H100i are options, but I've read about noise issues with the H100i and software problems with Corsair Link. Or should I just buy a 4790k and stick with the CPU's stock speed with turbo boost to 4.4GHz?

 

- How is the motherboard choice? My other options are Asus Z97-A / Maximus VII Ranger / Sabertooth Z97 Mk1

 

- Power Supply: 750W/850W or more?

 

Any other thoughts/advice would be gratefully received!

Just finished my 4790k build, I use an h110 on my 4790k pc and my fx8350 pc and am very happy with them, I wouldn't say they are loud at all. As for building it yourself that's easy and fun. When you get all your parts I'd be happy to help you put everything together via skype.

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There is no such thing! You cant beat the Coolermaster HAF cases for cooling and cable management.

 

Meaning there's no such thing as too much cooling? Obviously there is. Cooling should be a balance between airflow and noise. No point at all in more cooling than you need. As long as your system is stable, the components within normal spec, that's all you need. Unless of course noise for the sake of it crumbles your cookie. I have an old Lian Li case, two 140's at the top, one 120 at the front, and one 120 at the rear. Rarely do they need to ramp up to full speed, overclock is stable, system very quiet.

 

You should check out the cable management of the new Corsair cases. Yes, the HAF can be beaten for cable management.

 

An H80i will cool just as well, with 1 or 2 degrees as a 100/110 and take up less space plus quieter.

 

 

There's far bigger difference that a mere 1 or 2 degrees between the H80i and H110. Unless physics has decided to ignore the much greater surface area.

 

To claim that the H80i is quieter than the H110 is nonsense. The H110 is whisper quiet, even when cooling to the max. Always compare heat sinks without fans, or with the same fans. Manufactures frequently cheat by fitting high RPM noisy fans.

 

 

The H100i is 9 degrees cooler than the H80i under full load. The H110 is a full 3 degrees cooler still, so 12 degrees cooler. So no sir, not 1 or 2 degrees at all.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h110_review,13.html

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Many thanks to all who've replied, that gives me some food for thought. And thanks z06z33 for the offer of skype help!

So it looks like the Asus Z97-A should suit me fine with a 750W or 850W PSU.

Still not sure about the cooling, but I'm inclined towards the AIOs. The H80i, H105 or H110?

idahosurge, sorry the memory would be 2 sticks of 8GB. My mistake.

So for the case, the CoolerMaster HAF-X seems to be the preferred option?

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Many thanks to all who've replied, that gives me some food for thought. And thanks z06z33 for the offer of skype help!

So it looks like the Asus Z97-A should suit me fine with a 750W or 850W PSU.

Still not sure about the cooling, but I'm inclined towards the AIOs. The H80i, H105 or H110?

idahosurge, sorry the memory would be 2 sticks of 8GB. My mistake.

So for the case, the CoolerMaster HAF-X seems to be the preferred option?

Get the biggest cooler you can and consider running your h110 in push pull for a few more degrees of cooling, I got my h110 on new egg the other day for $99

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If you don't mind, I'd like to make a suggestion for your consideration.

 

Wait.

 

In September, the Haswell -e -series boards and the i7-53XX CPU's from Intel will hit the market.  Judging by the whitepapers and datasheets I've read, as well as the info on enthusiast pages like HardOC[P], this will be the boards and CPU's we've been waiting for.

 

Your 4970K and my 3770K have a difference in power of 8-20% based on which application you are using.  The new Haswell -e's will be available with 4-, 6-, or 8-core CPU's using i7 technology and if 90% of everything I've read is true, these will represent a true quantum leap in memory bandwidth, I/O and CPU speeds.  Kind of what the 2700K and Sandy Bridge did for us several years ago. 

 

If you build your 4970K system now, you might regret it in September.  Please read here.  Personally, I'm impressed.  Our MicroCenter store has information that the 6 core 5390K will run at around 4GHz and they will have an opening price of around $269.  

 

I was going to purchase a new 4970K and a ROG Maximus VI Extreme mobo last week as an interim step while waiting for my new Haswell e board and the store sales guy, who works for commission, pleaded with me to hold off.  Said it was a complete waste of money with the new architecture so close and the pricing being about the same.

 

Just posting here for your consideration.

 

Kevin

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There was a lot of hype about Devil's Canyon and Intel let us down a bit there as most are not getting the superclocks and instead are getting the temps or excessive voltages..(which is worse)

 

So I can only imagine that this new i7-53xx  is a bit hype too to a certain degree

After all If I wanted to sell you something I would not say its simply "ok"...which the 4790K is, just ok

 

And who needs 40 lanes of PCIe with P3DV22 ?

I have only one 600 dollar videocard and cannot afford a second anyways.

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There was a lot of hype about Devil's Canyon and Intel let us down a bit there as most are not getting the superclocks and instead are getting the temps or excessive voltages..(which is worse)



So I can only imagine that this new i7-53xx is a bit hype too to a certain degree

After all If I wanted to sell you something I would not say its simply "ok"...which the 4790K is, just ok

 

The sales guy said the same thing - compared to what I have, 4790K would be "meh".  By all reports, the new Haswell e is targeted to users like you and I, specifically for overclocking and modding.  Will run cooler than Haswell or IB allegedly.

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Our MicroCenter store has information that the 6 core 5390K will run at around 4GHz and they will have an opening price of around $269.  

 

if that's true, they're not going to sell another I7 4770K / 4790K, unless those drop in price significantly too

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So for the case, the CoolerMaster HAF-X seems to be the preferred option?

Not for me. Great cooling [that you don't actually need] but the enclosure is now dated.

 

The new Corsair cases have great features and great cooling. Multiple 140 fans at the front, duel 140 fans on top, plus rear 140. "Nobody needs more than that. Plus you get dedicated SSD mounts that look great, plenty of drive caddies, removable drive caddies, etc.

 

Corsair 760T in black would be my choice. And if you are desperate for a side fan, then corsair also do a 760 version with a side fan instead of a huge window.

 

I've already posted the links.

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Not for me. Great cooling [that you don't actually need] but the enclosure is now dated.

 

The new Corsair cases have great features and great cooling. Multiple 140 fans at the front, duel 140 fans on top, plus rear 140. "Nobody needs more than that. Plus you get dedicated SSD mounts that look great, plenty of drive caddies, removable drive caddies, etc.

 

Corsair 760T in black would be my choice. And if you are desperate for a side fan, then corsair also do a 760 version with a side fan instead of a huge window.

 

I've already posted the links.

 

Thanks martin-w, I'll have a look at those.

 

If you don't mind, I'd like to make a suggestion for your consideration.

 

Wait.

 

In September, the Haswell -e -series boards and the i7-53XX CPU's from Intel will hit the market.  Judging by the whitepapers and datasheets I've read, as well as the info on enthusiast pages like HardOC[P], this will be the boards and CPU's we've been waiting for.

 

Your 4970K and my 3770K have a difference in power of 8-20% based on which application you are using.  The new Haswell -e's will be available with 4-, 6-, or 8-core CPU's using i7 technology and if 90% of everything I've read is true, these will represent a true quantum leap in memory bandwidth, I/O and CPU speeds.  Kind of what the 2700K and Sandy Bridge did for us several years ago. 

 

If you build your 4970K system now, you might regret it in September.  Please read here.  Personally, I'm impressed.  Our MicroCenter store has information that the 6 core 5390K will run at around 4GHz and they will have an opening price of around $269.  

 

I was going to purchase a new 4970K and a ROG Maximus VI Extreme mobo last week as an interim step while waiting for my new Haswell e board and the store sales guy, who works for commission, pleaded with me to hold off.  Said it was a complete waste of money with the new architecture so close and the pricing being about the same.

 

Just posting here for your consideration.

 

Kevin

 

Thanks, that's an interesting option which I hadn't considered. I'm just wondering a) how much difference it will actually make to me (being a relative novice in OC) and b) whether the initial cost of the new boards/CPUs will be prohibitive for my budget. I guess 4790k might do me for now (it'll already be a huge improvement over my current 2.7G machine!), and I can always upgrade in a couple of years time. It all depends how big/noticeable the differential will be in real terms....

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Meaning there's no such thing as too much cooling? Obviously there is. Cooling should be a balance between airflow and noise. No point at all in more cooling than you need. As long as your system is stable, the components within normal spec, that's all you need. Unless of course noise for the sake of it crumbles your cookie. I have an old Lian Li case, two 140's at the top, one 120 at the front, and one 120 at the rear. Rarely do they need to ramp up to full speed, overclock is stable, system very quiet.

 

You should check out the cable management of the new Corsair cases. Yes, the HAF can be beaten for cable management.

 

 

Everyone has their opinion, but that never means your opinion is the right one and to me Martin you always come across as you think your opinions are always the correct ones and when you disagree with anyone their opinion is always the wrong one.

 

The HAF-X has excellent cable management and it is only an opinion that the new Corsair cases are better, it is not a fact.

 

I use the fan control application included in Asus AI Suite 3 and the HAF-X fans can not even be heard when they are running slow, they only run fast as the CPU temp increases.  The only time the fans run above half their rated RPM is when I am running FSX and I still can not hear the fans because the engine noise of the plane drowns out the noise of the fans.

 

A 4790K will run at 4GHz at default and 4.4GHz at turbo.  With the crap tim between the CPU die and the IHS it is even more important to get rid of the heat as quick as possible.  Having a high airflow case like the HAF-X can only help and it is certainly not going to decrease performance in anyway!

 

You said the HAF-X is dated, again that is your opinion.  Has it been around awhile, yes, but that does not mean it is dated, only that it has been out for close to four years.  I like the look of the case and I do not like the look of modern sleek cases.  This is my opinion and it is just what I like.  It does not make it right for anyone else.  As far as inside the case it is my opinion that you will not find a more functional case than the HAF-X.  You may find one that you like the way it looks better, but it will not be more functional inside.  It may be just as functional, but certainly not more.

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if that's true, they're not going to sell another I7 4770K / 4790K, unless those drop in price significantly too

They are actively ramping down their inventory to legacy support only on i7-2XXX through i7-4XXX CPU's.  This means that they will keep about 6 on hand instead of the 30 or 40 they always have.

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They are actively ramping down their inventory to legacy support only on i7-2XXX through i7-4XXX CPU's.  This means that they will keep about 6 on hand instead of the 30 or 40 they always have.

 

According to this the 6 core 5820K would cost $300-350. Still a great price though

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This is current 4790K pricing where I purchase all of my hardware.  That is, except for my CSX Creations custom-painted Cooler Master Cosmos case... :wub: .  Anyway, they said that their price on the 6-core will introduce at $269....

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Yea the CPU's dont run cool for sure at full load at 4.5ghz my 4790K hit 73C at one point but averaged in the high 60's

 

 

 

EDIT. I was using the auto setting for CPU voltage which at times using when running OCCT would run the Vcore up to 1.22V so I decided to set it manually I was able to boot into windows at 1.120v but failed OCCT after 30 seconds but no bsod after a few different settings I found it was stable a 1.140v and the temps never got above 60C and averaged in the low 50's so just a heads up to all!! Fine tune your OC settings for better temps I got an average of 15c cooler by just reducing the Vcore by .060V

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Everyone has their opinion, but that never means your opinion is the right one

Of course it does! Actually, if an opinion happens to be an objective "fact" then it is the right opinion.

 

 

Martin you always come across as you think your opinions are always the correct ones and when you disagree with anyone their opinion is always the wrong one.

 

 

Not true at all! If it happens to be perceived as an objective fact, then yes, anyone capable of logical thinking would define their opinion as "the right one". It's then incumbent on the other party to prove that it's not an objective fact. However, if my opinion is a subjective opinion then I will be the first to make it clear that it's "my" opinion.

 

 

The HAF-X has excellent cable management and it is only an opinion that the new Corsair cases are better, it is not a fact.

 

 

Haf X is an old design. Enclosure design moves on. Simply look at the multitude of YouTube reviews and you will clearly see that many of the new cases on the block [not just Corsair] are matching, and in some cases beating the Haf X in this respect. If you bother to look at the dimensions, in terms of available space for cables behind the motherboard tray, and you bother to count the number of cable ties and other cable management features this is the inevitable conclusion. This can be objective as opposed to subjective, because the features can be noted and measurements can be taken.

 

 

I use the fan control application included in Asus AI Suite 3 and the HAF-X fans can not even be heard when they are running slow, they only run fast as the CPU temp increases.  The only time the fans run above half their rated RPM is when I am running FSX and I still can not hear the fans because the engine noise of the plane drowns out the noise of the fans.

 

 

Irrelevant to your objections. At no time did I say that the Haf X can't be configured to be quiet if the fans are turned down.

 

 

A 4790K will run at 4GHz at default and 4.4GHz at turbo.  With the crap tim between the CPU die and the IHS it is even more important to get rid of the heat as quick as possible.  Having a high airflow case like the HAF-X can only help and it is certainly not going to decrease performance in anyway!

 

 

Not true. I have a 3770K also with "crap Tim" between the IHS and CPU die. In addition my CPU is the worst case scenario in regard to this phenomenon... I do not own a Haf X, just a Lain LI. An efficient CPU cooler, and an enclosure that can ingress and egress enough air to maintain the required CPU and motherboard temperature in the normal range is all that's required. An "overkill" Haf X is not essential by any means.

 

The 4790K has the new design thermal interface material. So no, it's not the "crap TIM" you refer to.

 

My subjective opinion: Haf X cooling is over the top. Rarely required, as evidenced by the fact that very few if any that own the Haf X run the fans at max. I don't even run my outdated Lian Li enclosure fans anywhere near max, with a hefty overclock. But it's up to you, if that's the case you favor, I'm happy for you.

 

You said the HAF-X is dated, again that is your opinion.  Has it been around awhile, yes, but that does not mean it is dated,

 

If it's been around for a while then by definition it's dated. Does it have the latest features, of the latest enclosures? No! Then by definition it's dated.

 

Doers it even have filters yet? last time I checked it didn't. :rolleyes:

 

I like the look of the case and I do not like the look of modern sleek cases.  This is my opinion and it is just what I like.  It does not make it right for anyone else.

 

That's fine then, no problem. Aesthetics are subjective.

 

 You may find one that you like the way it looks better, but it will not be more functional inside.  It may be just as functional, but certainly not more.

 

You say "will not be more functional" which is a definitive statement! Now you must subject yourself to the same logic you subjected me to. You criticized me for "always believing my opinions are the right ones". You have just done the same thing!

 

Have you done the research and actually looked in detail at all of the new cases on the market. No, clearly you haven't.

 

It's human nature to extol the virtues of the choices we make, and the products we own. It's human nature to praise the outdated cooler, or the 4 year old Haf X enclosure, but we have to be sensible and accept that technology moves on.

 

I am without bias, as I don't own either the Haf X or a Corsair case. You are biased because you do own the 4 year old Haf X.

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Anyway, they said that their price on the 6-core will introduce at $269....

 

Here's hoping that's true Kevin. Poor AMD, they're in for some trouble

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Here's hoping that's true Kevin. Poor AMD, they're in for some trouble

My understanding, Dazz, is that Intel was forced into this next generation of chipset and CPU because of AMD.  (Their claim, not mine)  I used to be an AMD-only user, always rooting for the underdog.  Sandy Bridge and the i7-2700K was where I made the move to Intel.  Before that, always AMD. 

 

Intel felt that because of the dismal performance returns of IB and Haswell and the corresponding chipsets (Devil's Canyon, anyone?) and the resultant black eye from the hardcore OC/gamer crowd, they had to go more than 4 cores, and the next gen had to blow away everything to date.  And I understand that Intel will take a profit loss on Haswell -e CPU's just to get their image back.

 

It should make for an interesting next 18 months, because the AMD unit allegedly waiting in the wings is every bit as sharp as Haswell -e.  We will see, my friend.

Of course it does! Actually, if an opinion happens to be an objective "fact" then it is the right opinion.

 

 

 

Not true at all! If it happens to be perceived as an objective fact, then yes, anyone capable of logical thinking would define their opinion as "the right one". It's then incumbent on the other party to prove that it's not an objective fact. However, if my opinion is a subjective opinion then I will be the first to make it clear that it's "my" opinion.

 

 

 

Haf X is an old design. Enclosure design moves on. Simply look at the multitude of YouTube reviews and you will clearly see that many of the new cases on the block [not just Corsair] are matching, and in some cases beating the Haf X in this respect. If you bother to look at the dimensions, in terms of available space for cables behind the motherboard tray, and you bother to count the number of cable ties and other cable management features this is the inevitable conclusion. This can be objective as opposed to subjective, because the features can be noted and measurements can be taken.

 

 

 

Irrelevant to your objections. At no time did I say that the Haf X can't be configured to be quiet if the fans are turned down.

 

 

 

Not true. I have a 3770K also with "crap Tim" between the IHS and CPU die. In addition my CPU is the worst case scenario in regard to this phenomenon... I do not own a Haf X, just a Lain LI. An efficient CPU cooler, and an enclosure that can ingress and egress enough air to maintain the required CPU and motherboard temperature in the normal range is all that's required. An "overkill" Haf X is not essential by any means.

 

The 4790K has the new design thermal interface material. So no, it's not the "crap TIM" you refer to.

 

My subjective opinion: Haf X cooling is over the top. Rarely required, as evidenced by the fact that very few if any that own the Haf X run the fans at max. I don't even run my outdated Lian Li enclosure fans anywhere near max, with a hefty overclock. But it's up to you, if that's the case you favor, I'm happy for you.

 

You said the HAF-X is dated, again that is your opinion.  Has it been around awhile, yes, but that does not mean it is dated,

 

If it's been around for a while then by definition it's dated. Does it have the latest features, of the latest enclosures? No! Then by definition it's dated.

 

Doers it even have filters yet? last time I checked it didn't. :rolleyes:

 

I like the look of the case and I do not like the look of modern sleek cases.  This is my opinion and it is just what I like.  It does not make it right for anyone else.

 

That's fine then, no problem. Aesthetics are subjective.

 

 You may find one that you like the way it looks better, but it will not be more functional inside.  It may be just as functional, but certainly not more.

 

You say "will not be more functional" which is a definitive statement! Now you must subject yourself to the same logic you subjected me to. You criticized me for "always believing my opinions are the right ones". You have just done the same thing!

 

Have you done the research and actually looked in detail at all of the new cases on the market. No, clearly you haven't.

 

It's human nature to extol the virtues of the choices we make, and the products we own. It's human nature to praise the outdated cooler, or the 4 year old Haf X enclosure, but we have to be sensible and accept that technology moves on.

 

I am without bias, as I don't own either the Haf X or a Corsair case. You are biased because you do own the 4 year old Haf X.

Wow...

 

Here's my case, with a Corsair H100 water cooling system for the CPU, plus 3 120mm fans in the case, not counting the 2 on the H100, and 1 80mm fan cooling my RAM and SSD's.

 

I'll admit that it's old but not dated.  To each their own!

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I'll admit that it's old but not dated. To each their own!

You haven't advised the OP to buy your enclosure, so not relevant.

 

 

If it's old, and doesn't posses the latest features, then by definition it's dated. If it does posses the latest features, because somehow it was "ahead of it's time" that's great.

 

But none of that matters, if it works for you, provides all the features you need, if you are happy, all is well.

 

However... when someone asks for advice in this regard, for a new build, and someone comes along and advises them to spend their money on a four year old enclosure... it makes sense to inform them that there are brand new, latest design products on the market with great new features that the 4 year old design doesn't have.

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