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INTC in the middle of my SID?

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Just made a flight plan from ksan to klas. Went off the Flightaware route. Selected departing from runway 27 and the pebble4 departure. The sid draw up on the screen with a 360 circle in the flight path. It was labeled INTC. I am not sure why this happened? I ended up replacing the two INTC's with waypoint Meldy. I also selected the SXC transition just like on Flightaware.

 

SID: http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1407/00373PEBLE.PDF

Flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA4413/history/20140708/2220Z/KSAN/KLAS

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It was labeled INTC. I am not sure why this happened?

 

Read the chart and you'll begin to understand why.  If you're going to fly a charted procedure always read that procedure (to include the textual description).

 

The chart states:

Climbing right turn via heading 290° until crossing OCN VORTAC R-170, then turn right heading 315° to intercept MZB VORTAC R-29.

 

The two INTC points are not named fixes at all; rather, they're pseudo-points that the FMC has calculated for where it will begin the turn to 290, and then turn to 315 after crossing the OCN 170 radial.

 

100% normal.

 

Also:

Pro Tip: The 'V' key automatically takes a screenshot.  Win7 also includes a tool called the Snipping Tool that works even better.  Much better than taking a shot with a phone.  

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Okay thanks! Yeah I was just practicing on my laptop that wasn't connected to the internet.

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Okay thanks! Yeah I was just practicing on my laptop that wasn't connected to the internet.

 

Welcome.  Not sure how I missed the giant circle it was making right before the first INTC point, but that is kinda normal and not normal.  My bet is that it would've figured it out if you had left it alone.  The real plane will draw a line like that in certain cases, as Matt pointed out in the other thread:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/445935-just-want-to-double-check-this-routefinder-route/#entry3025232

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So just arm vnav only. And use the heading select till I get past the 2nd puesdo waypoint then arm lnav at Meldy?

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So just arm vnav only. And use the heading select till I get past the 2nd puesdo waypoint then arm lnav at Meldy?

 

If it doesn't sort itself out, yeah.  My bet is that, once you started moving, or getting closer to it, it would've straightened out.

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The SID is coded wrong. It should be a 315 heading to intercept. The 305 heading is causing the intercept to occur AFTER the point, hence the whifferdill.

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The SID is coded wrong. It should be a 315 heading to intercept. The 305 heading is causing the intercept to occur AFTER the point, hence the whifferdill.

 

Bam! Nice spot!  Didn't even notice!

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ALWAYS back up SIDs or STARs with raw data (VOR's, DME's etc.) if possible. In this case you could either take off and see if it sorts itself out or continue manually or in heading select + VS or LVL CHG. 

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Ended up taking off with lnav and vnav. And right before the circle I switched to heading select.

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And right before the circle I switched to heading select.

Maybe you are using an outdated AIRAC Cycle. If you are using the one that came with the NGX, I believe that one is from 2013. Using the current AIRAC Cycle from Navigraph the various headings were correct and I received no large circle or wifferdill on the ND display. Used both LNAV and VNAV all the way. No switching to heading select. Get the current cycle from Navigraph.

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Maybe you are using an outdated AIRAC Cycle. If you are using the one that came with the NGX, I believe that one is from 2013. Using the current AIRAC Cycle from Navigraph the various headings were correct and I received no large circle or wifferdill on the ND display. Used both LNAV and VNAV all the way. No switching to heading select. Get the current cycle from Navigraph.

 

The NGX default cycle is August 2011. The 777's is September 2013.

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Hi, everyone,

 

I don't suppose there is any way to tell exactly what the INTC entry is going to do, and compare the programmed behavior to the chart, without looking at the code in that airport's file in the PMDG>SIDSTARS folder?  I would like to be able to compare it the same way one can compare a normal FMC waypoint to the chart as to altitude, speed, etc.

 

Mike

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What's the website to buy the newest nav data? Just wanna make sure it's the website everyone on here is using. Thanks.

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I don't suppose there is any way to tell exactly what the INTC entry is going to do, and compare the programmed behavior to the chart, without looking at the code in that airport's file in the PMDG>SIDSTARS folder?  I would like to be able to compare it the same way one can compare a normal FMC waypoint to the chart as to altitude, speed, etc.

 

Exactly as shown in the screenshot above.  The only thing that's missing is the chart.  In fact, in this case, the charts textual description is more helpful in the comparison.

 

HINT: Don't pay attention to the INTCs.  Pay attention to the leg info before and after the INTC.  The INTC is there because you're intercepting radials, or other courses.  Otherwise, there'd be a FIX there.

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Just made a flight plan from ksan to klas.

 

 

On another computer I installed the NGX as originally released plus service packs. The FMC clearly shows the NAV DATA OUT OF DATE.  The FMC indicates AIRAC 1108 JUL 28 - AUG 24/11. PEBLE3 not PEBLE4 is the SID in August 2011. You used the outdated SID,

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Yeah as I am finding out. My fmc does not match a lot of sid and stars from Airnav.com

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Airnav.com

 

What is this site? I can't find it using Google.

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Literally www.airnav.com

The r and n looked like an m to me. So I was searching for aimav.com. I need to increase the magnification on IE 10.

Thanks.

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Just updated to the latest navidata and that fixed the problem. No more circles.

 

One question after a month a new version comes out. Will the June 2014 version still be on there until I purchase another month? It won't be deleted after a month?

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One question after a month a new version comes out. Will the June 2014 version still be on there until I purchase another month? It won't be deleted after a month?

 

From what I remember, no.  Only the current version is up there.  If you want a backup, keep one locally.  For what it's worth: if you want a reliable backup of anything, make one yourself.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure I've mentinoed it before, but it's a forum rule to sign posts here.  You can configure your account to do this for you on your user settings page.  :wink:

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