July 10, 201411 yr Hi all, I am thinking of upgrading my 22' monitor with a new 28' 4k Samsung one. I run the sim on a i5 3570k at 4.5Ghz,Asus GTX660 OC GPU. My main concern is if I will experience a frame rate hit. If anyone has such an experience I would be grateful for any guidance. Is the experience vs a standard hd monitor worth the extra money? Thank you for your time. Simulators: Prepar3D v5.4 | X-Plane 12 | DCS World | MSFS 2024 | PC Hardware: Dell U3417W | AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D | ASUS TUF 5070 Ti | ASUS TUF B580 Plus Wifi | G.Skill Z5 Neo 64GB 3000Mhz CL30 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB + 970 EVO Plus 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + 850 EVO 1TB, Western Digital Black Caviar Black 6TB | Corsair RM1000i | Corsair 280 Titan RX | VRM Fan | Fractal Design Define S2 Gunmetal | Flight Controls: Fulcrum One Yoke | Virpil VPC WarBRD Base | Virpil VPC MongoosT-50CM Grip, Thrustmaster Warthog+F/A-18C Grip | VIER IM POTT Sidestick CPT Side | Thrustmaster TPR Rudder Pedals | Virtual Fly TQ6+Throttle Quadrant | Sismo B737 Max Gear Lever | Monsterteck Desk Mounts | WINWING EfisL+FCU+MCDU | My fleet catalog: Link
July 10, 201411 yr Author No, 700 euro Simulators: Prepar3D v5.4 | X-Plane 12 | DCS World | MSFS 2024 | PC Hardware: Dell U3417W | AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D | ASUS TUF 5070 Ti | ASUS TUF B580 Plus Wifi | G.Skill Z5 Neo 64GB 3000Mhz CL30 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB + 970 EVO Plus 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + 850 EVO 1TB, Western Digital Black Caviar Black 6TB | Corsair RM1000i | Corsair 280 Titan RX | VRM Fan | Fractal Design Define S2 Gunmetal | Flight Controls: Fulcrum One Yoke | Virpil VPC WarBRD Base | Virpil VPC MongoosT-50CM Grip, Thrustmaster Warthog+F/A-18C Grip | VIER IM POTT Sidestick CPT Side | Thrustmaster TPR Rudder Pedals | Virtual Fly TQ6+Throttle Quadrant | Sismo B737 Max Gear Lever | Monsterteck Desk Mounts | WINWING EfisL+FCU+MCDU | My fleet catalog: Link
July 10, 201411 yr I just took a look at the spec for an Asus GTX 660, and it says the maximum digital resolution is 2560 x 1600. As 4K res is 4096 x 2160 I'm not sure how full 4K could be achieved? Or am I missing something? Eugene
July 10, 201411 yr Author Hello Eugene, Thank you very much for your reply. I didn't know that such a limit exists for the GTX660. I will investigate that further. Simulators: Prepar3D v5.4 | X-Plane 12 | DCS World | MSFS 2024 | PC Hardware: Dell U3417W | AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D | ASUS TUF 5070 Ti | ASUS TUF B580 Plus Wifi | G.Skill Z5 Neo 64GB 3000Mhz CL30 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB + 970 EVO Plus 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + 850 EVO 1TB, Western Digital Black Caviar Black 6TB | Corsair RM1000i | Corsair 280 Titan RX | VRM Fan | Fractal Design Define S2 Gunmetal | Flight Controls: Fulcrum One Yoke | Virpil VPC WarBRD Base | Virpil VPC MongoosT-50CM Grip, Thrustmaster Warthog+F/A-18C Grip | VIER IM POTT Sidestick CPT Side | Thrustmaster TPR Rudder Pedals | Virtual Fly TQ6+Throttle Quadrant | Sismo B737 Max Gear Lever | Monsterteck Desk Mounts | WINWING EfisL+FCU+MCDU | My fleet catalog: Link
July 10, 201411 yr Author Eugene, according to nvidia GTX660 supports 4K http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660/specifications Simulators: Prepar3D v5.4 | X-Plane 12 | DCS World | MSFS 2024 | PC Hardware: Dell U3417W | AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D | ASUS TUF 5070 Ti | ASUS TUF B580 Plus Wifi | G.Skill Z5 Neo 64GB 3000Mhz CL30 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB + 970 EVO Plus 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + 850 EVO 1TB, Western Digital Black Caviar Black 6TB | Corsair RM1000i | Corsair 280 Titan RX | VRM Fan | Fractal Design Define S2 Gunmetal | Flight Controls: Fulcrum One Yoke | Virpil VPC WarBRD Base | Virpil VPC MongoosT-50CM Grip, Thrustmaster Warthog+F/A-18C Grip | VIER IM POTT Sidestick CPT Side | Thrustmaster TPR Rudder Pedals | Virtual Fly TQ6+Throttle Quadrant | Sismo B737 Max Gear Lever | Monsterteck Desk Mounts | WINWING EfisL+FCU+MCDU | My fleet catalog: Link
July 10, 201411 yr I got the 2560 x 1600 res from the Asus 660 spec page for the GTX660-DC2-2GD5 card. I expect they make many cards with various specs, so you could well be right - but NVIDIA do say on that link you posted Note: The below specifications represent this GPU as incorporated into NVIDIA's reference graphics card design. Graphics card specifications may vary by Add-in-card manufacturer. Please refer to the Add-in-card manufacturers' website for actual shipping specifications. Just had another look on the ASUS site, looks like they do 13 models of 660, type 660 into the search box, pick out your exact model, and it should be straightforward to work out the spec, Eugene Eugene Sorry - Here's a link... http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/GTX660_TIDC2TG2GD5/specifications/
July 10, 201411 yr No single card in existence can push 4k resolution succesfully at a decent frame rate expereience. Supporting the resoltion is one thing, actually having the horespower grunt to push that many pixels is another thing entirely. A 660 is certainly not going to cut it. Glenn Ryzen 3700X, X570 Pro Wifi, 32GB 3600mhz RAM, Nvidia Titan Xp "Galactic Empire", RM750x PSU, H700 case, 2x NVMe M2 SSD, 1x SATA SSD
July 10, 201411 yr Hi all, I am thinking of upgrading my 22' monitor with a new 28' 4k Samsung one. I run the sim on a i5 3570k at 4.5Ghz,Asus GTX660 OC GPU. My main concern is if I will experience a frame rate hit. Daedalus, 4k is fantastic idea for PC gaming. Unfortunately there are three major problems: your processor, graphic card and... FSX. For modern games and 4K monitor best option is something like... 2x GTX 780. Of course you can use your nVidia 660 in 4K FSX, but in such case I assume that you will do this without stuff like FTX Global/Vector/openLC, airports addons, PMDG/iFly planes, weather programs etc. Just pure FSX and default planes. Even then, in my opinion, such weak graphic card like 660 is much less, then enough. About processor: something more powerfull will be welcome - this is FSX... :/
July 11, 201411 yr Author Thank you for your replies guys.. I will forget the 4K idea for the moment and will continue to use my system as it is. I was in P3D V2.2 but returned to FSX+ENB. I have smoother experience, better visuals and PMDGs.. So I may upgrade to a regular 27' HD monitor. Simulators: Prepar3D v5.4 | X-Plane 12 | DCS World | MSFS 2024 | PC Hardware: Dell U3417W | AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D | ASUS TUF 5070 Ti | ASUS TUF B580 Plus Wifi | G.Skill Z5 Neo 64GB 3000Mhz CL30 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB + 970 EVO Plus 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + 850 EVO 1TB, Western Digital Black Caviar Black 6TB | Corsair RM1000i | Corsair 280 Titan RX | VRM Fan | Fractal Design Define S2 Gunmetal | Flight Controls: Fulcrum One Yoke | Virpil VPC WarBRD Base | Virpil VPC MongoosT-50CM Grip, Thrustmaster Warthog+F/A-18C Grip | VIER IM POTT Sidestick CPT Side | Thrustmaster TPR Rudder Pedals | Virtual Fly TQ6+Throttle Quadrant | Sismo B737 Max Gear Lever | Monsterteck Desk Mounts | WINWING EfisL+FCU+MCDU | My fleet catalog: Link
July 15, 201411 yr No single card in existence can push 4k resolution succesfully at a decent frame rate expereience. Supporting the resoltion is one thing, actually having the horespower grunt to push that many pixels is another thing entirely. A 660 is certainly not going to cut it. I'm running a 780ti through a 4K projector, and get a reasonable quality of graphics. The refresh rate is only 30Hz, but running P3D 2.2 with FTX global and 30FPS, is smooth, with no blurries, at reasonably high settings including cloud shadows. I fly the iFly 737, so generally scenery isn't changing very rapidly, and I don't find the low refresh rate a problem, except maybe large turns on the ground can get a tad stuttery. My processor is an unclocked i7 3930k Agreed, a 660 is a little short of grunt... Eugene.
August 16, 201411 yr I'm running a 780ti through a 4K projector, and get a reasonable quality of graphics. The refresh rate is only 30Hz, but running P3D 2.2 with FTX global and 30FPS, is smooth, with no blurries, at reasonably high settings including cloud shadows. I fly the iFly 737, so generally scenery isn't changing very rapidly, and I don't find the low refresh rate a problem, except maybe large turns on the ground can get a tad stuttery. My processor is an unclocked i7 3930k Agreed, a 660 is a little short of grunt... Eugene. I'll second this. 4k is doable, particularly in P3D which can actually utilize your GPU (unlike FSX). I just purchased a 39" 4k TV to use as a monitor for P3D 2.3 and it looks amazing. GA flying with very high settings is no problem on a 4.8GHz 4770k and an R9 290 locked at 30FPS. Urban areas and complex planes are another story, but still flyable.
August 16, 201411 yr I'll second this. 4k is doable, particularly in P3D which can actually utilize your GPU (unlike FSX). I just purchased a 39" 4k TV to use as a monitor for P3D 2.3 and it looks amazing. GA flying with very high settings is no problem on a 4.8GHz 4770k and an R9 290 locked at 30FPS. Urban areas and complex planes are another story, but still flyable. What TV is that Techguy? I was looking at this Samsung http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/televisions/flat-tvs/UE40HU6900UXXU. How useable is it for normal desktop work? Reading various reports the use of HDMI 4.2.2 makes normal desktop characters difficult to read but is okay for games. Regards Howard H D Isaacs
August 18, 201411 yr What TV is that Techguy? I was looking at this Samsung http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/televisions/flat-tvs/UE40HU6900UXXU. How useable is it for normal desktop work? Reading various reports the use of HDMI 4.2.2 makes normal desktop characters difficult to read but is okay for games. Same situation with the TV I bought, and the only reason I went 4k this early is because of the price of this off-brand TV (Seiki - $350 + $50 MIR through TigerDirect). I figure for that low of a price if I want to replace it with a better model in a year or so it won't be a big deal. Plus I just sold my 27" 1440P monitor for $250 so this thing was dirt cheap.
August 21, 201411 yr I'll second this. 4k is doable, particularly in P3D which can actually utilize your GPU (unlike FSX). I just purchased a 39" 4k TV to use as a monitor for P3D 2.3 and it looks amazing. GA flying with very high settings is no problem on a 4.8GHz 4770k and an R9 290 locked at 30FPS. Urban areas and complex planes are another story, but still flyable. TechGuy, Would you mind running down the pros and cons of this monitor as it applies to FSX/P3D? I'm seeing this Seiki being sold everywhere at really good prices and am thinking of grabbing one. Samsung has one for a couple hundred more and wonder if it's worth the extra bucks. Thanks much either way for your info. i7-9700K, MSI Z370, PNY 4070 Super, GTX 750Ti, 32GB GSkill, 43" curved Samsung, 32" BenQ, 11" LED, RealSImGear GTN750, Win10, P3DV5.4/P3DV6 and MSFS, several GoFlight modules, Saitek radio, Brunner CLS-E NG Yoke, Virtual Fly TQ6.
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