First of all, it is normal for VAS to go up over time.

Or, I have accepted it as normal.

Time is your biggest enemy in this regard in FSX, and although the PMDG777 was designed for longhaul, I doubt FSX was!

 

But since others can do long flights without OOMs....you should be able to do so as well.

 

Second, you guys do pan around the Aircraft a few times right?

Because that will fill up some sort of memory buffer and you can just see VAS increase as you pan. The purpose is to make the flashes stop as the memory buffer fills before you start the flight but it has the added benefit of having a stable start VAS. If you want to know what VAS you are using at the beginning of a flight then first pan around the aircraft 6-8 times and then read VAS!

If the OP did not do this, then that could be the reason his VAS goes up while sitting on the rwy.

In Flytampa Vienna I do not see this effect strangely (must be well made) but at default FSX airports (KJFK for example) I do.

 

Third, to the OP, How many times have you uninstalled/reinstalled FSX?

And the PMDG77?

One of the worst things (in my experience) you can do to FSX is uninstalling things from it!

All kinds of burried left overs will remain and cause problems.

Just like with Windows itself.....must be a microsoft bug.

If I want to get rid of something I return to an image of my PC that was taken before that addon was installed. And then I start building from there again.

So at this point I would recommend a complete whipe of your HDD (format).

Then reinstall FSX and PMDG777.

Make images as you go (ask how if you dont know how!).

Dont forget to release the PMDG777 KEY from the FMC before whiping everything!!

 

If you dont want to wipe.....I see the OP uses DX10. That should help but I have no experience with it.

Maybe something is wrong with his DX10 fixer.....I suggest a visit to the DX10 forums....maybe they can help.....maybe the fixer needs to be applied again after you install SP1?!

 

And last but not least, dont forget there is an official Microsoft OOM fix that needs to be aplied to some Windows builds!

this is an helpfull replay Rob thank you ....... shame that others are not all like you in this forum........

You are not alone. I experienced also some OOM (near OOM, FSUIPC binged a little bit). But this could be my settings. But it's only with the 300Er. The 200LR works fine and I don't get the "bing" warning from FSUIPC. 

 

My OOM airports so far are: EDDL (freeware Scenery) and LTBA (Taxi2Gate). 

 

And I'm not the only one out there. In german forums the user noticed the same. Why is the -300ER more VAS intensive as the -200LR? 

this is an helpfull replay Rob thank you ....... shame that others are not all like you in this forum........

You mean perfect, bleeeeh....just kidding, lol.

 

Thank you, I try to describe as clear as possible....sometimes this might take a little too many words though :-)

Here iare some notes I made during my last flight:

 

Test flight default FSX Washington (KIAD) to Fly Tampa Vienna (LOWW).

REX non HD clouds.

No weather engine, FSX weather set the same for the whole world BKN010, OVC150.

AI traffic on (airlines 45%, gen aviation 35%, cars off, the rest I would have to look up). Default FSX AI traffic used (No AI addon).

UTX and GEX used worldwide.

FSX sliders allmost all at max (Autogen and that slider above it, max-1 click)

Not using PMDG777 sound buffering option

DX9

original PMDG777 textures.

 

 

-On ground taxiing, about 1.4MB VAS free.

 

-reaching FL330, about average 25fps (22 - 30) 1.28MB VAS free.

 

Then I turned all AI traffic off over Atlantic: 30fps and 1.49 free VAS!

4x speed: ETA LOWW 08:39 with 11.7T fuel.

 

back to normal speed.

- Top of descend: 1.19MB free VAS, 30fps (still no AI)

 

-AI on in 30.000ft: 1.11MB free VAS, 25-30fps

ETA LOWW 08:22 with 14.3T fuel.(that is more than before, but at least it means I did not have any freezes where fuel was still being used).

 

after landing a light stuttery FSX with about 20fps and 700MB free VAS.

 

That is ok I think.

it is a good result

AI traffic on (airlines 45%, gen aviation 35%, cars off, the rest I would have to look up). Default FSX AI traffic used (No AI addon).

That is ok I think.

 

That's the worst choice regarding VAS and FPS you can make lol using the default AI ;-)

 

Models aren't optimized for AI to begin with far better to us an AI traffic add-on program....

Hi Rob

 

Really appreciate your  help 

 

 if i do a reinstall of windows i Always do it after a  format , i have windows on a seperate sdd so this takes only a few minutes more time and i know if i do it this way i have a clean windows

 

Microsoft Fix is aplied .

 

for my test i did pan around  , i set the plane with engines running on runway 24 at EHAM , did 3 complete cycles of vieuws panned around and wrote the VAS as seen  proces explorer , let the plane with engines running on the runway and went to bed , came out of bed and noticed my VAS had increased to over 3.0 .

 

1 week ago i DID long flights with the 773 , OMDB KIAH OMDN , NZAA KLAX NZAA LTBA RJAA LTBA all without shutting down fsx with settings maxed out with UT2 at 50 % with all addons ...just read my previous posts ..never OOM my VAS was max 3.4 on approach to heayvy addon airports

 

Than  suddenly  i get a OOM and now i can't even do a klight with all settings to the left , without Any addon  just fsx and the 777.

 

I know that VAS increases during the flight but i start with 2.3 and in 4 hours time it has increased to 3.9  and a few minutes later OOM , just with default fsx no weather  and the 777

 

Why is it that i don't have problems with my Original 777 without SP1  , VAS never above 3.4 , but when i install SP1 problems begin , i know and i expected that VAS was higher with the SP!  but why did i never had problems 1 week ago with the SP1   with sliders full right VAS never above 3.5 and now with the same plane i can't do a flight even with sliders to the left and no addons  ...

 

Tomorrow i m gonny try to go back to DX9 and do the flight wich you provided as an example .

 

Thanks ,

 

Gérard

Edited August 2, 201411 yr by ger

Guys, purely to look at VAS I just did a flight with bad weather and fairly well maxed settings:

EGLL MID GWC JSY DIN REN NTS BLV BUR TLD HIJ LEZL

I used FSX+A, IF10 >aug +Ai Buddy Stock 747 +20 other Ai using Stock aircraft, PMDG 777-200LRX, FTX Global+V+LC on Dense+LOD 4.5+max water & sky, DX10 +NI enhanced AA 15fps fixed. PC is 3960x+32Gb+GTX680/2Gb+4TbRAID10.

During the flight VAS increased to 1.89Gb, then dropped to 1.41Gb, then finally increased back up to 1.99Gb.

 

That's the worst choice regarding VAS and FPS you can make lol using the default AI ;-)

 

Models aren't optimized for AI to begin with far better to us an AI traffic add-on program....

I know.

 

I have Mytraffic but since I had FSX crashes and had to reinstall Windows + FSX fresh in January I have not had the time to reinstall Mytraffic.

 

Not so sure I will either since my performance is ok.

I dont care much about how AI looks like and less addons means less problems.

I think what I WOULD like is to just use the default FSX traffic, but with optimized textures.

Not sure if this is possible though?!

 

I only posted that I use default AI so that we know what we are comparing my performance to here.

Not as a recommendation!

Some people post fantastic performance but without the details it is impossible to compare.

I know.

 

I have Mytraffic but since I had FSX crashes and had to reinstall Windows + FSX fresh in January I have not had the time to reinstall Mytraffic.

 

Not so sure I will either since my performance is ok.

I dont care much about how AI looks like and less addons means less problems.

I think what I WOULD like is to just use the default FSX traffic, but with optimized textures.

Not sure if this is possible though?!

 

I only posted that I use default AI so that we know what we are comparing my performance to here.

Not as a recommendation!

Some people post fantastic performance but without the details it is impossible to compare.

 

Rob obvious I understand that, but I would give a fellow pilot a tip to enjoy more the simulation in an ancient software package. 

It's not about visual aesthetics but more from performance reasons.

You would be better off to avoid default 3d models.

Because lod of the 3d model is far higher (polygons) with default as with a traffic add-on package and this does take more calculation from your precious cpu cycles ;-)

(to explain it in layman terms same effect as a sim with only 4096 textures or 1024)

 

In general it's actually real simple with OOM, system hardware has to be in balance with the settings in FSX

As for an over clock it has to be in balance and avoid resistance on different buses (stable only is not enough there is more to it ;-)) 

With demanding sceneries and aircraft you have to make choices to have FSX in a 32 bit environment in balance.

 

Then I'm about talking ENB / SweetFX 3e party dll hooks / Sliders FSX (Autogen / AI / lod range above 4.5 / Texture size / Cloud draw range) / 3d part WX programs (there are unfortunately some  programs out there with a very heavy unhealthy memory footprint) / Vector programs (UTX / FTX Vector)

 

Personally I don't have OOMS at all... is the VAS footprint heavy?

Yes it is local here between 2.0 en 2.9 gb (take off and arrival is 3d party airport), but then again I have almost everything to the right and some crucial parts tweaked :-)

(dis-advantage but I fly only between 3d party airports lol)

- WX ASN cloud draw range min 70 max 90

- Lod range 4.5 (only changed when going low and slow )

- Water low 2x

- Texture size 1024 with exception of some aircraft 2048 max

- AI UT2 with special tweaks in the gui at 50%

- DX10 with scenery fixer 2.3

- 4x speed only used with the 777 everything else real time

- In vector program not every road is used only primary and secondary

- RAAS off

 

I don't disable any scenery when flying between two airports no real benefit here local lol...

 

Cheers,

Hi Rob and others  ,

 

Just completed KIAD LOWW  with the same settings wich you provided except without REX , UTX and GEX , with all settings maxed out and with Flightbeam KIAD, with no OC processor and with DX9 .

First i had set my OC speed back to stock speed , loaded the bios with optimal settings ,   format all my  drives so everything was clean and installed Windows 7 with all the drivers on my SSD , after that installed all the updates  .

 

Switched off UAC in windows , switched off Windows firewall and my virus scanner before continuing with installing .

 

Next i installed FSX with SP2 on a seperate drive (G) outside the program files folder .Between installing each SP i booted the deafault flight and restarted my computer before installing the next sevice pack.

After installing SP2 i changed the settings within FSX and shut down FSX.

Installed Flightbeam 's  KIAD and Fly Tampa 's LOWW .

 

Requested a new download file from my PMDG account so that i had a fresh file , installed it , updated the operation center booted fsx , and the 777 , made all the option settings in the fmc  , closed FSX and rebooted my computer .

 

I launched fsx , set the weather settings from your test flight and selcted Kiad and the 777 .

 

After preparing the flight ,  taxi to runway 01C for take off  , my frames were 30 rock solid ....more important my VAS was 2.1 so 1.9 free ...normally if my VAS reaches 4.0 i get OOM .

 

Climbing through 30000 feet , frames again 30 stable , VAS 2.0 so 2.0 free...

 

Cruising over the Atlantic at 35000 feet , frames 30 VAS was 2.0 so 2.0 free , fsx a1 was left on at 40%

 

i couldn't believe it so instaed of going to bed ( turned pause at TOD on haha) i  made myself a cappucino watched the the tv and waited for the TOD ,  every 30 minutes i checked my VAS and it was staying at 2.0...

 

Tod , frames 30 , VAS 2.1 so 1.9 free ,

 

passing 30000 , frames 30 , VAS 2.1 so 1.9 free ...

 

On approach 6000 feet , runway 29 on the rnav runway 29 transition , frames 30 , VAS 2.2 so 1.8 free ,

 

Final approach , 1500 feet vref 141 , flaps 30  fully stable frames 30 , VAS 2,25 ,so 1,75 free

 

Landing and rolling out at Fly Tampa´s LOWW frames 30  , VAS 2.3 , so 1,7 free...This was the best landing i made with the SP1 , normally i recorded my landings with FSREC but now i used the standard instand replay  , ...

 

This is the first time since a week i completed a flight with the 777 and SP1 without my VAS increasing like a rocket ...

 

 

Next thing i m gonna do after sleeping a few hours is installing  Opus for the camera vieuws and ASN and continue from there on and when the need is there make the switch to DX10 again because something on my system must trigger my VAS increasing like a rocket  , this flight was without any problem , no VAS increasing , no fsx freeze even not the slightest stuttering ..all this on DX9 and stock speed , 3.9 GHZ processor  , without overclocking ...

 

Many many thanks Rob for providing me your settings in combination with the your test flight and many many thanks to all who helped me with this , it was getting very frustrated , i hope my VAS increase  like the way it did is over  , like i said , something on my system must have triggered this because i never ever had problems with this  even when i flew the 777-300ER on very long return flights , OMDB KIAH OMDB with settings maxed out .

 

Thanks again ,

 

Best regards ,

 

Gérard

Edited August 3, 201411 yr by ger

Hi Rob and others ,

 

Just completed KIAD LOWW with the same settings wich you provided except without REX , UTX and GEX , with all settings maxed out and with Flightbeam KIAD, with no OC processor and with DX9 .

First i had set my OC speed back to stock speed , loaded the bios with optimal settings , format all my drives so everything was clean and installed Windows 7 with all the drivers on my SSD , after that installed all the updates .

 

Switched of UAC in windows and switched off Windows firewall , and my virus scanner before continuing with installation

 

Next i installed FSX with SP2 on a seperate drive (G) outside the program files folder .Between installing each SP i booted the deafault flight and restarted my computer before installing the next sevice pack.

After installing SP2 i changed the settings within FSX and shut down FSX.

Installed Flightbeam 's KIAD and Fly Tampa 's LOWW .

 

Requested a new download file from my PMDG account so that i had a fresh file , installed it , updated the operation center booted fsx , and the 777 , made all the option settings in the fmc , closed FSX and rebooted my computer .

 

I launched fsx , set the weather settings from your test flight and selcted Kiad and the 777 .

 

After preparing the flight , taxi to runway 01C for take off , my frames were 30 rock solid ....more important my VAS was 2.1 so 1.9 free ...normally if my VAS reaches 4.0 i get OOM .

 

Climbing through 30000 feet , frames again 30 stable , VAS 2.0 so 2.0 free...

 

Cruising over the Atlantic at 35000 feet , frames 30 VAS was 2.0 so 2.0 free , fsx a1 was left on at 40%

 

i couldn't believe it so instaed of going to bed ( turned pause at TOD on haha) i made myself a cappucino watched the the tv and waited for the TOD , every 30 minutes i checked my VAS and it was staying at 2.0...

 

Tod , frames 30 , VAS 2.1 so 1.9 free ,

 

passing 30000 , frames 30 , VAS 2.1 so 1.9 free ...

 

On approach 6000 feet , runway 29 on the rnav runway 29 transition , frames 30 , VAS 2.2 so 1.8 free ,

 

Final approach , 1500 feet vref 141 , flaps 30 fully stable frames 30 , VAS 2,25 ,so 1,75 free

 

Landing and rolling out at Fly Tampa´s LOWW frames 30 , VAS 2.3 , so 1,7 free...This was the best landing i made with the SP1 , normally i recorded my landings with FSREC but now i used the standard instand replay , ...

 

This is the first time since a week i completed a flight with the 777 and SP1 without my VAS increasing like a rocket ...

 

 

Next thing i m gonna do after sleeping a few hours is install Opus for the camera vieuws and ASN and continue from there on and when nthe need is there make the switch to DX10 again because something on my system must trigger my VAS increasing like a rocket beacuase this flight was without any problem , no VAS increasing , no fsx freeze even not the slightest stuttering ..all this on DX9 and stock speed , 3.9 GHZ processor , without overclocking ...

 

Many many thanks Rob for providing me your settings in combination with the your test flight and many many thanks to all who helped me with this , it was getting very frustrated ,

 

Thanks again ,

 

Best regards ,

 

Gérard

Well done, great results...glad it worked.

 

Now if you are smart, you will create an image backup from the system as it is now.

This way while you are installing things from here on, if something screws things up again you do not have to uninstall anything.

All you need to do then is reinstall from your image and you will have no left overs from old addons that screw things up.

 

For an image you need no additional software.

Win7 has that build in!

 

You just go to control panel/system and security/backup and restore.

click create a system image and choose a disc you want to save the image to.

It will take a few minutes (15-20) for the image to finish.

The image will be in a folder called "WindowsImageBackup" when done.

 

Now, there are few important things:

1) Windows will ask you if you want to create a repair disc.

If you have a Windows7 installation disc then this is not required.

But to reinstall from this image, you need either your Win7 install disc or a repair disc.

So create a repair disc on a CD (CD has enough space) if you do not have a Win7 installation disc.

 

2) If you want to reinstall from your image then you insert your Win7 disc or your repair disc and choose REPAIR (not Win7 install fresh) and then choose the image. (usually it is found automatically).

(if you renamed your image or moved it....then Win7 repair will not find it.)

 

3) If you want to reinstall from image I recommend disconnecting all drives except the C:drive and the drive that holds the image. This avoids you installing your image to another disc and thereby whiping everything from it!

 

4) I allways only backup the C drive.....I dont backup other drives because it make the image too big. But, if you have installed FSX to its own harddisc like me (seperate from your C drive) then you must also make a copy of the whole FSX folder. So that you end up with an image of Win7 as you have it now and with a copy of your FSX folder as you have it now.

 

If you ever need to use the image, in 15-20 minutes you will have a system exactly like it was today :-)

You guys tried this? http://#####.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/oom-out-of-memory-helperfix/

 

I managed not to OOM on my test flight with this, but I'm still getting skeleton and missing ground... with HIGHMEMFIX=1 on.

 

Pausing a going windowed for a while seems to solve it. o.0

Is there any freeware software available that can create a stable image backup?

Hi Rob ,

 

thanks for the info , definately going to do that  , i do have the original Windows cd so that shouldn't be a problem and i did see the option repair when i installed Windows again  ,

Thanks again for your info and help , jut installed the 773 and ASN and up in the air again , doing the same flight again , see  that the 773 uses about 100mb more  but so far so good but this is with ASN weather ..

 

 

Best regards , 

 

Gérard