http://rt.com/usa/184821-isis-syria-airport-minneapolis/

 

Article says it all... I hope it's not as bad as it's turning out to be.

Well ISIS is bad news however airports employee many many people from surrounding areas and frankly you tend to have a good number of....less savory people who work there.  It is not beyond the realm of possibility that a person who sympathizes with terrorist groups would/could be working at a US airport and still passes the background check.  If you aren't in the vast database there is no way anyone would know unless you go around the airport telling people your intentions.  It is a very difficult situation to address.  In the US there is the vaunted layers of security TSA maintains it has and flying enough times you see it in action.  Checkpoints, Baggage Screening, Random Gate Checks, Random Aircraft Searches, Canine etc.  On top of that I would hope if an airport employee suspected anything they would report it immediately.  People are quick to report bags that are randomly (and often) forgotten at the airport so people are still vigilant.

 

Unfortunately really our only hope remains still with good intelligence coming and being disseminated to those who need to know in a timely and precise manner.  Aircraft remain sadly a nice target for terrorist because it can dominate the news for weeks especially if you can do it in a manner like MH370 you make it hard to piece together how and who.  That all being said it is not as easy as slapping together some explosives throwing it into a plane and calling it a day.  It takes resources and resources can be traced.  Thus the intelligence bit.

TSA - based on my many experiences, is an acronym for "Thousands Standing Around".

Very small portion of people can become radicalized from all walks of life so impossible to pick that out in any operation being Aviation, Police, Military or Governments...etc 

TSA - based on my many experiences, is an acronym for "Thousands Standing Around".

I hate the TSA. If you're going to work at an airport trying to maintain security, at least do it with a damn smile.

I hate the TSA. If you're going to work at an airport trying to maintain security, at least do it with a damn smile.

 

Might actually be worse if they did some of the things that they do with a smile.  

Might actually be worse if they did some of the things that they do with a smile.  

 

I prefer without a smile... Especially if I was a woman : -)

 

Unfortunately really our only hope remains still with good intelligence coming and being disseminated to those who need to know in a timely and precise manner.  Aircraft remain sadly a nice target for terrorist because it can dominate the news for weeks especially if you can do it in a manner like MH370 you make it hard to piece together how and who.  That all being said it is not as easy as slapping together some explosives throwing it into a plane and calling it a day.  It takes resources and resources can be traced.  Thus the intelligence bit.

 

It does actually make me wonder how aircraft seem to be the only target as the caribbean cruise ships have way more passengers from different nationalities and security is less tight. If the terrorist somehow archieved a Titanic style scenario then it would be a part of history instead of the news for a few weeks.

There is more elements to TSA then just screeners, they run the Air Marshal program and the Flight Deck Officer program amongst other things but courtesy of the subpar quality screening work force that the public sees every day those efforts are often over shadowed. I didn't intend for my post to start a TSA bashing thread.

 

As for cruises the Titanic was a disaster because of the arrogance of the ship industry. There were not enough life boats, nor were there enough training for crew and the total lack of regard for danger ahead. As a result there were many changes. On top of that a cruise ship is very very large which makes it much harder to do anything too. They also screen passengers and they have their own security. A plane by contrast does not take much to take out thus requiring less resources to achieve the terror one desires.

As for cruises the Titanic was a disaster because of the arrogance of the ship industry. There were not enough life boats, nor were there enough training for crew and the total lack of regard for danger ahead. As a result there were many changes. On top of that a cruise ship is very very large which makes it much harder to do anything too. They also screen passengers and they have their own security. A plane by contrast does not take much to take out thus requiring less resources to achieve the terror one desires.

 

The USS Cole bombing would be the best example of how you could do it. Difference between the USS Cole and a Cruise Ship is the USS Cole has an armored hull, a cruise ship doesn't have that and wouldn't stand up as well in a blast. Also a cruise ship isn't really on the watch for small craft the same the US Navy is.

 

Hopefully it never happens and it doesn't seem likely

The USS Cole bombing would be the best example of how you could do it. Difference between the USS Cole and a Cruise Ship is the USS Cole has an armored hull, a cruise ship doesn't have that and wouldn't stand up as well in a blast. Also a cruise ship isn't really on the watch for small craft the same the US Navy is.

 

Hopefully it never happens and it doesn't seem likely

 

That is very true.  It is a vulnerability that does exist.  Ships can be and are actually attacked and the threat does exist.  It has been said that terrorist organizations do in fact sponsor some of the piracy that does exist and they have actively pursued means to damage these high profile targets.  I guess the real thing is anytime you get a large group of innocent people into a tightly packed space it becomes a nice soft target for terrorist.  Still intelligence is our really only defense.  You can only build so many walls and barricades and security rings before you become your own prisoner.  It my opinion I do not let the fear they want to spread control me that is the best thing weapon we have.

http://rt.com/usa/184821-isis-syria-airport-minneapolis/

 

Article says it all... I hope it's not as bad as it's turning out to be.

 

 

Sadly allot of what's said here in this thread is true but the problem is larger than people realize in the Minneapolis area.  The 'Lutheran Brotherhood' back in the 90's brought so many Somali's to this area we have a section of the city now called 'Little Mogadishu'.  

 

A Big Thank You to Mark Peterson:

 

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/lutheran-social-service-of-minnesota-doing-well-by-doing-good/

 

We have a serious radical element up here that's nothing to take likely.  The biggest United States Isis recruitment area is Minneapolis thanks to the 'Lutheran Brotherhood'.   So having these guys work at airports in this area is not just an oversight of not being on the terror watch list it's a willful lack of Intelligence;  it's Political Correctness gone very very wrong.  If many of these elements were 'actually' looked at these potential Isis recruitee's  would be on the terror watch list unable to get near an airport much less a plane.  Not all Somali's are radical but just the same many are.  People up here aren't fully checked out for fear of the racist label which ultimately could get many killed.  A friend of mine who is Muslim went into some of these Somali mosques and found the rhetoric very anti-American or western world.  Why have so many people in western countries that don't appreciate what our countries/communities can offer them outside of their own self interest?  This should be looked at as it creates a powder keg...   Obama/Kieth Ellison are not using our intelligence on various elements in our society as it's deemed 'Racial Profiling'.  In this day and age the 'race card' where ever it rears it's ugly head needs to be put back in the pocket so we can get on with the business of keeping people safe otherwise we are going to have a disaster on our hands.

Sadly allot of what's said here in this thread is true but the problem is larger than people realize in the Minneapolis area.  The 'Lutheran Brotherhood' back in the 90's brought so many Somali's to this area we have a section of the city now called 'Little Mogadishu'.  

 

A Big Thank You to Mark Peterson:

 

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/lutheran-social-service-of-minnesota-doing-well-by-doing-good/

 

We have a serious radical element up here that's nothing to take likely.  The biggest United States Isis recruitment area is Minneapolis thanks to the 'Lutheran Brotherhood'.   So having these guys work at airports in this area is not just an oversight of not being on the terror watch list it's a willful lack of Intelligence;  it's Political Correctness gone very very wrong.  If many of these elements were 'actually' looked at these potential Isis recruitee's  would be on the terror watch list unable to get near an airport much less a plane.  Not all Somali's are radical but just the same many are.  People up here aren't fully checked out for fear of the racist label which ultimately could get many killed.  A friend of mine who is Muslim went into some of these Somali mosques and found the rhetoric very anti-American or western world.  Why have so many people in western countries that don't appreciate what our countries/communities can offer them outside of their own self interest?  This should be looked at as it creates a powder keg...   Obama/Kieth Ellison are not using our intelligence on various elements in our society as it's deemed 'Racial Profiling'.  In this day and age the 'race card' where ever it rears it's ugly head needs to be put back in the pocket so we can get on with the business of keeping people safe otherwise we are going to have a disaster on our hands.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. These guys want to kill Americans regardless of ethnicity.

 

Bill W

What a load of rubbish.....Somalians don't want to kill Americans any more then Americans want to kill Americans.

 

There are Somalians all over the world, they have a large community in Toronto when I was there, a large community in Ottawa when I was there and also a large community here in Wellington.

 

I see it this way, at the fall out of World War 2 Italy was a nation that was war torn and without a government or any prospects for Italians, so what did they do? They came to America, they had no money so they moved into the crappy neighborhoods that no one else wanted. You go to any American or Canadian city today and the most expensive neighborhoods are now Little Italy, those one time crappy neighborhoods that no one else wanted. They worked very hard to achieve that.

 

Every step of they way Americans gave those Italians a very hard time, called them criminals or W.O.P.S or whatever else you could through at them. Today you are just doing the same but moved on to Somalians, a people displaced from a war torn nation.

 

Grow up people.

 

P.S. Statistically the number of Americans killed every year in America was largely committed by Americans, maybe sort out that problem first :rolleyes:

What a load of rubbish.....Somalians don't want to kill Americans any more then Americans want to kill Americans.

 

There are Somalians all over the world, they have a large community in Toronto when I was there, a large community in Ottawa when I was there and also a large community here in Wellington.

 

I see it this way, at the fall out of World War 2 Italy was a nation that was war torn and without a government or any prospects for Italians, so what did they do? They came to America, they had no money so they moved into the crappy neighborhoods that no one else wanted. You go to any American or Canadian city today and the most expensive neighborhoods are now Little Italy, those one time crappy neighborhoods that no one else wanted. They worked very hard to achieve that.

 

Every step of they way Americans gave those Italians a very hard time, called them criminals or W.O.P.S or whatever else you could through at them. Today you are just doing the same but moved on to Somalians, a people displaced from a war torn nation.

 

Grow up people.

 

P.S. Statistically the number of Americans killed every year in America was largely committed by Americans, maybe sort out that problem first :rolleyes:

 

 

This is not blind stereotyping, there's a twist on a religion here driving a very different situation.  I can't speak for any community outside of Minneapolis so mentioning them is a mute point.  Today the facts are the facts for what we have in the Minneapolis area.  To your other point, American crime has nothing to do with the storm called Isis building up strength in the middle east.  Deflecting a major situation that has cells in every country (except New Zealand, maybe) is one heck of a head in the sand outlook.  This is bigger than local crime and that's what the problem is, so many are sleep on what's going on in the world.  When was the last time you heard of a beheading in America? No gang is going to set off a Nuclear bomb in the name of God.  Petty criminals are after money for or from drugs and want to act a fool for the sake of acting out.  They don't want to die but they don't mind taking your life.  Isis wants to die and take your life.  I'm here boots on the ground looking at this, 90% of the Isis recruits from America are from the Minneapolis area, and all but a few of those are another race than Somalian.  I said above not all Somali's are in this camp but you can't disregard facts in favor of political correctness.  It's easy to sit in New Zealand and get offended but I'm looking at the facts as to what's going on in my city and those very same views you have is making a bad situation worse.  I have friends that are Somali that say this is bad.  England is on high alert because of this and it's not because their a racist mean nation.  England has it worse,  America has for now one main community that's getting radicalized the most but when you look at Boston that's not saying much.  Heck some of Minneapolis's new citizens where involved in the Kenyan Mall Massacre.  Italians years ago were driven by money but when you have a group of people who say their God is telling them to kill everyone that doesn't believe what they believe we have a whole different set of circumstances that can't be compared to most other immigration scenarios.  This is another thing that's going to bite us in the backside is people refusing to look at facts/reality because they think all people think like we do and/or they have a bleeding heart.  

 

 

Every step of they way Americans gave those Italians a very hard time, called them criminals or W.O.P.S or whatever else you could through at them.

Oh hogwash...

EVERY ethnic group, creed, race, color gets a hard time.  Some give it... some get it... Maybe some more than others... but it is plain just a fact of life.  Hate'n in my observation, is an equal-opportunity employer.

I personally take offense at that "whatever else you could through at them" because there are many people in this country who, tho "not perfect", try to live their lives by "the Golden Rule".

You p/c post run amok makes me think you have never heard of Cosa Nostra.