Hello

 

 

I just have three questions  about three different things  B)

 

 

First what is the different between DIR INTC and the ABEAM point SELECTED ? what the best method can i do to intercept the radial or make a direct ?

 

I know intercept a radial using the FIX page and TRK on the MCP, i also use the DIR INTC function to do the same with LNAV entering the good CRS.

 

But what i don't know is how use ABEAM point properly  ^_^

 

 

The second question is on the THRUST page pourcent limit, what do you put on this page for short and long haul flight ? (To1 - To2)

 

Actually i put 60% but i would like to know what  do you use to see if im wrong or not.

 

 

 

Thanks a lot  B)

FCOM 11.42.7 -.8 does a pretty good job of explaining Direct To, Intercept Course To and Abeam points. Then, after reading this and making notes, take her for a training flight and play with the features. You won't break it.

Since all is in FCOM and Since if  there are   techincal problem or questiosn a ticket can be opened, considering all these isnt it cheaper to close the forum? As at the end the possible questions can be:"  what did u eat for lunch ?" "how was ur day ?"and so on. I am sure all the questions asked can have an answer in the manuals,,,So this forum is to diuscuss about? 

 

 

 

 

So this forum is to diuscuss about? 

 

This is the stupidest argument that I have ever heard...ever.  The sad part is that it continues to be used over and over again by the lazy lobby...

 

So what you're telling me is:

After we went to grammar school, we ceased to have things to talk about because we've already learned something.

Well, that mustn't be true because middle, high and university schooling exist.

 

Why?  Because there's always something to discuss at a higher level.  If you didn't have the lower levels, we couldn't discuss things at higher levels.  The level at which we discuss things in our community is directly related to how much ground work people want to do.  There are tons of really smart, and experienced people out there that we could learn some really cool things from, but so many of them are caught up answering the same simple questions over and over again.

 

This argument truly needs to die, and never come back.

 

The problem is that u talk of nosenses as well as this is an hobby not a work and maybe many people work 8-9 hours a day have a family and to read a manual of 2000 pages and learn it is not the best thing ever, This is and will always be an hobby, where some people is more hardcore and some other is less to quote the FCOM like the bible for some people is good forsome other is more difficult for the limited time, If u are a pilot , if u are studying for an ATPL or CPL or whatever to read the FCOm can be more interesting than "flying", for other who has a family and work and 1-2 hours to dedicate to this HOBBY the time spent is better to simulate and during the flight to ask a question into a forum.

University is to make you have a work! People start to confuse an hobby with life! Just to know what is the higherst level you are talking about? As reallyin these forum ihave rea many and none of this higher level. All people talk about and ask can be found in the FCOM? Can u make me an exaple of higher level? Just to have an idea. In many cases who answer FCOM page 2 verset 33 paragraph 8 have lost 10 minutes to search for it and quote it, in the same time, he spent to look up the FCOM he can give the answer to the question, otherwise doesnt need to answer at all. Read the topics and highlight one who is about the highest level u talk about

Whats your problem? He's asking a legitimate question and decided to seek help on this forum.

 

Providing an FCOM page to read will not only answer his question in more detail than a forum answer but will also provide useful reference to anyone who has this question in the future.

The problem is that u talk of nosenses as well as this is an hobby not a work and maybe many people work 8-9 hours a day have a family and to read a manual of 2000 pages and learn it is not the best thing ever

Maybe many people work eight to nine hours a day, have a family, and spending time looking up information to answer a question isn't the best thing ever? I don't see your logic....in any case, the specific section was provided, so it's not like he would have to read the entire thing, just one section. Oh, and by the way, the last I heard, the manual was copyright protected, which means copy and paste (or as you say quoting it) isn't an option. Which means he would have had to take time out of his busy life just to retype everything. Why do that when he can just save time by pointing out which section to read.

I guess I am part of the lazy lobby....or at least someone that understands that having to go through 1000+ pages is a bit much for some.

 

Sure you bought a procedural sim so you have to read stuff to get it right

 

But I think it is ok to ask things if you cant find them in the provided documents

Because let's face it, that the documents that came with the PMDG777 do not come with links to chapters does not help either.

The way it is, the best way to find things in those documents now is probably to use the search function (Goodreader on Ipad has a search function and I think Adobe on Windows will offer something similar).

 

But we have had this discussion before:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/449408-auto-pilot-disconnect/

 

Having said that, I find this

FCOM 11.42.7 -.8 does a pretty good job of explaining Direct To, Intercept Course To and Abeam points. Then, after reading this and making notes, take her for a training flight and play with the features. You won't break it.

a good and helpfull answere, yes with a small hint maybe.........but nothing wrong with leading someone to the correct pages in the manual.

 

If things are still unclear after that,then the discussion can be continued on a higher level ;-)

 

And therefor I think this reaction in this case

Since all is in FCOM and Since if there are techincal problem or questiosn a ticket can be opened, considering all these isnt it cheaper to close the forum? As at the end the possible questions can be:" what did u eat for lunch ?" "how was ur day ?"and so on. I am sure all the questions asked can have an answer in the manuals,,,So this forum is to diuscuss about?

 

was not really necessary because a helpfull answere was given.

 

Just my two cents though.

 

 

But I think it is ok to ask things if you cant find them in the provided documents
Because let's face it, that the documents that came with the PMDG777 do not come with links to chapters does not help either.

 

a good and helpfull answere, yes with a small hint maybe.........but nothing wrong with leading someone to the correct pages in the manual.

Fair enough, I suppose. I don't own the PMDG 777, so I have no clue what's in the manual or not. Though I would imagine when he was looking for the section, he might not have been looking for actual page numbers.

The problem is that u talk of nosenses as well as this is an hobby not a work and maybe many people work 8-9 hours a day have a family and to read a manual of 2000 pages and learn it is not the best thing ever

No it isn't the best thing ever for a busy person. So it's lucky you don't have to do it. The FCOM is there for reference. It does not have to be read in full and learned. It's easy to find answers quickly by using a text search. If you have time spare time to study the FCOM in detail I'm sure it would be very rewarding but it isn't necessary to get the best out of the 777.

 

The only manuals which should be read by every user are the PMDG Introduction Manual, Tutorial (both essential) and the Boeing FCTM (highly recommended to learn basic operating techniques).

 

The forum adds an extra layer of information. If someone asks a question in the forum that I know the answer to I will give it in plain English rather than refer to an FCOM page number. Think back to your schooldays and imagine how frustrating it would be if every time you asked a teacher a question they said "read the textbook".

I still don't understand the busy excuse.  At all.

 

"I'm too busy to read a manual!!!"

...but you somehow find time to mess around with flight sim?  That's curious.

 

Additionally, I'm a busy guy myself.  On top of working my day job, I'm continuing in the process of ATC candidacy (which is a job in and of itself just trying to manage all those appointments and fill out forms - if anyone's used e-QIP before, you'll understand my pain), contracting on a few of my friends' side projects (graphic design and video editing, mostly - read as "rather time consuming"), trying to keep up with Fantasy Football, and also, somehow, continue biking like a mad person, because that's the only physical activity I get.  Beyond that, add all of the sim stuff I usually do (videos, help out on product betas, reviewing other people's videos) and you can see how it all piles up.

 

I get that people are busy, but one should never assume that business means "I can't help myself," or that those who can help themselves clearly have a lot of time on their hands.

 

In fact, from what I've seen, the most successful (and usually self-motivated and taught) people are those with the least time available to learn more...but they still do it, and they're better off because of it.

 

 

 

I guess I am part of the lazy lobby....or at least someone that understands that having to go through 1000+ pages is a bit much for some.

 

This is 2014.  The manuals are searchable PDFs.  We're no longer in the dark ages that I grew up in where you have to painstakingly search through an index, make a guess on what term is the best one, and hop around page references to find the right topic.  Furthermore, nobody mentioned that anyone should go read the thing like a book.  CTRL+F "ABEAM" <ENTER> (hit ENTER until something relevant seems to appear).  Read.  Close.  Done.

 

I'll still stand by my opinion (I wish I had more facts to support it, but I don't) that people spent more time in getting to the forum and typing up their question than it would take to just open the manual and CTRL + F an answer.  That's not even taking into account that you then have to wait for someone to respond.

 

In this case, that was nearly an hour.  You definitely could've actually gotten an answer by then on your own.

 

 

 

Think back to your schooldays and imagine how frustrating it would be if every time you asked a teacher a question they said "read the textbook".

 

In a certain way, I agree, but teachers a paid to be a source of that information.  We're not.  I would definitely be frustrated if a paid source of information said "go look it up at this reference point," but if it was a volunteer - even if it annoyed me (as it apparently did for Alfredo, here) - I'd say "thank you" and either begrudgingly go find it using their reference, or wait for someone to add detail.

 

Here's how I look at it:

If I post on the forum because I didn't want to look in the manual (not "you're too busy," because it takes less time to refer to the manual - guaranteed - it's a searchable PDF...let's be real).  I have little to no information on a subject.  Anything someone says to add to my knowledge is additional information that I didn't already have, even if it's a location in the manual.  I might not find it abundantly useful, but someone took time out of their day in an effort to help, so I should be thankful for that.

 

When people (who aren't even the OP, mind you) then jump in and go off on the anti manual rant, it kinda just spits in everyone's face.

 

Exception:

RTFM, or basic replies without any added detail are in my opinion worthless.  None of that has been used here, however.

My point is easy and simple. I have a CPL i like aviation and it is an hobby the biggest plane i piloted is a Cessna Mustang 510 so nothing that big like a 777. To read the FCOm and all related to a plane is my hobby more than simulating. To answer FCOM page this and that is ok. What is not took in count is that th manuals are written into a nice professional way and not all are able to undrstand perfectly what they read. Aviation terms , are many and sometimes difficult to be understood from people who is not really hardcore. Now suppose that i ask a question and i have read the FCOM and actually i didnt understand the meaning of what i read. When u tell me read the FCOm first u dodnt help me as i have already read it and didnt understand it then u force me not to ask anymore as some peoplefeel like to be stupid to read and not understand so they dont have their problem solved and will ask in other forums. So my problem is that u can easily say the answer is here but to explain it in few words the main difference is this.....and explain the difference in easy words. Nothing else. I asked a question about an error i had on the NGX (737) about air cond warning always on. The answer was FCOM bt i already read the FFCOm and didnt solve it, for that i posted. Atthe end to solve the problem i only had to install the product again as i had that error anytime i loaded the 737 so i think was some file corrupted in the saved panels. Rememeber that not all peopleunderstand what is written in those manuals. Many are not english or american so they read  manual nto a foreign langiuage and ty to understand what it means. Then it is up to u what to answer. This is a customer ( people who pay) Support ( for help) forum. If u talk to pilots or hardcore simmers that i suppose to be 10-15% then if u say fcom and so on it is suppose them to understand the meaning of what they read some others is possible they have problems to understand the meaning. So in my opinion if someone ask u can put the fcom as then if he wanna learn more he can give a read but if u explain in few words and easier one or with exaple what is the meaning or the difference or whatever it is asked i think it is given a better help. Then as u can see arounf i never ask anything so you all can keepon answering like stating the bible..

Additionally, I'm a busy guy myself. On top of working my day job, I'm continuing in the process of ATC candidacy (which is a job in and of itself just trying to manage all those appointments and fill out forms - if anyone's used e-QIP before, you'll understand my pain), contracting on a few of my friends' side projects (graphic design and video editing, mostly - read as "rather time consuming"), trying to keep up with Fantasy Football, and also, somehow, continue biking like a mad person, because that's the only physical activity I get. Beyond that, add all of the sim stuff I usually do (videos, help out on product betas, reviewing other people's videos) and you can see how it all piles up.

 

But not everybody is a workaholic or somethingaholic like you Kyle :-)

 

People are different.

One guy might like reading manuals (that would be me....I even read the manual of a new toaster I buy)

And others do not enjoy that.

Instead they like it better or find it easier to ask on the forum.

 

I do realize this is not getting us to higher levels of learning and might be slowing people like you and me and others down in our quest to get smarter and smarter.......but that is just they way it is I am afraid.

I don't that will ever change no matter how long we discuss it here.

Unless we open up a Furum for the advanced user only or so.

 

Like someone pointed out....it is hobby and no one HAS to do anything.

No one HAS to read a1000 pages.

Anybody can ask "lazy" questions.

Nobody HAS to answere them though....

etc

I'll still stand by my opinion (I wish I had more facts to support it, but I don't)

 

You don't need more facts to support anything.....you are entitled to your opinion.

 

I think my opinion is inconsistant in this matter.

 

I did not mind the OPs question......yet I did not feel like answerering it this time.

Call me a bad person but I pick and choose.

Sometimes I like answering the easy stuff or even stuff that has been discussed in greath length already.

Other times I do not.

 

Or I might have used too much of my daily allowed AVSIM portion already and I have to be carefull not to drive the wife nuts, lol

When she goes "are you still on Affensim" I know it is time to call it quits (affen=German for monkey)

 

I just read your answere in another thread....about how loading the 777 on top of itself causes problems.

I did not realize that is what caused his problem......but if it is then that annoyed me actually.

Because we have gone over it so often and because it is in the intro manual.

And like Kevin said......that is a MUST read, no excuses.

 

I think I have reached a point where I get a little annoyed with people asking easy stuff that is in the intro manual (not talking about the CDU deadzone complicated stuff here).

So I might choose to not answere.

But I usually dont mind people ask stuff that they could also find in the FCTM, the FCOM or the QRH.

 

Maybe you have just evolved further than I have in that respect :-)

Hi guys,

 

First i see a lot of interesting answers, spécial thanks to those members, another answer less...

 

Of course i read this part of FCOM according to the DIR INTC and ABEAM point, but the FCOM explain how to use it but not WHEN and WHY... because when you are doing a thing you maybe would like to know why and in what sort of case use one option and not another.Im in this case with the ABEAM point, im young simmer but enjoying aviation history and technic.I like spend time to read the charts and especially the charts of my destination airport to see if SPD or ALT restrictions, what FIX and radial i will put on the FMC and configure the best approach as possible.

 

I have the 777 pmdg since September 2013 and the 300 recently owned before fly theT7 i flew the Maddog MD-80, so neither im not a beginner pilot but a pilot which need to learn more an more to be better.