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So... this question has been asked by many already, but is it worth making the switch from FSX to P3d V2.3? I almost pulled the trigger last night and dropped $60.00 on the Academic License.  My hesitation, like most others, is how well will my addons work with P3dV2?  I see on Aerosoft and a lot of other websites that products are compatible with P3D, but doesn't necessarily mean compatible with p3dV2.  I prefer flying IFR jets than VFR light aircraft, and don't know how many options there really are for P3DV2 fully compatible commercial airliners.  Another hesitation for me is Atlanta is my favorite airport to fly in and out of.  While I realize Imaginesim doesn't make the best scenery, their ATL isn't compatible with P3dV2.  Does anyone know of an alternative scenery for ATL? Finally, Aerosoft's AES isn't and likely will never be compatible with P3D.  So, how many payware airports have moving jetways?  Without AES, I would imagine that most sceneries just have static jetways in P3D. I guess it comes down to is it worth the hassle of starting over with not necessarily new(but significantly improved) simulator missing addons that I have spoiled by in FSX?  Anyway, I appreciate any advice or thoughts anyone has about my concerns.

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There does seem to be some myth about P3D V2.3 only being for GA aircraft ... I'm not sure where that myth started?  I've heard it several times from Word Not Allowed and others.  Commercial aircraft work fine in P3D with perhaps the exception of PMDG - which is a deal breaker for some.  So if PMDG is where you're at, then you may want to wait to see if PMDG get onboard with P3D.

 

Otherwise I have these commercial aircraft and they work fine in P3D:

 

CS 777  (hard on performance)

CS L1011 (ok on performance)

Aerosoft Airbus X (very good on performance)

Quality Wings BAE 146 (RJ100) (very good on performance but stay away from HD paints)

Majestic Dash-8 Q400 (very good on performance)

 

There is also iFly 737 NGX (I don't own that) and several other commercial aircraft that work in P3D.

 

Don't know about ImagineSim?  But FlightBeam, FSDT, FlyTampa, Aerosoft, Orbx airports work well in P3D (some are big VAS consumers so you'll need to be careful using them).  AES is apparently not going to ever make it to P3D ... seems a little silly to me, but it is what it is so I'm using GSX.  On a side note, Ultimate Traffic 2's feature to "enable Jetways" seems to work on just about any airport which is kinda nice.

 

You'll need a good GPU for P3D ... a Titan in P3D makes a much more significant difference than a Titan in FSX. 

 

But I highly recommend you check into some of the optimization you can do to help with P3D performance (specifically clouds).

 

Cheers, Rob.

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THanks Rob.  I really appreciate the response and advise.  I'm running a GTX 760 and a i7 3rd generation at 3.9 ghz.  FSX looks pretty good.  I can use my money back guarantee if I don't like what I see with my rig in P3D as I will never invest $1,000 on a Titan.  PMDG is a big hang up, but I hear the ifly 737 is a very solid product (if it wokrs 100% in P3D I'd probably get it).  Basically, I can either keep investing money into FSX by buying the PMDG 777 next or go ahead and make the move to P3D.  I want to make the move to P3D because I feel that inevitably that is what will happen in the future.  Having to buy PMDG  products for FSX and then for P3D if they finally figure out their EULA problems seems like a waste of money to me.  

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So... this question has been asked by many already, but is it worth making the switch from FSX to P3d V2.3? I almost pulled the trigger last night and dropped $60.00 on the Academic License.  My hesitation, like most others, is how well will my addons work with P3dV2?  I see on Aerosoft and a lot of other websites that products are compatible with P3D, but doesn't necessarily mean compatible with p3dV2.  I prefer flying IFR jets than VFR light aircraft, and don't know how many options there really are for P3DV2 fully compatible commercial airliners.  Another hesitation for me is Atlanta is my favorite airport to fly in and out of.  While I realize Imaginesim doesn't make the best scenery, their ATL isn't compatible with P3dV2.  Does anyone know of an alternative scenery for ATL? Finally, Aerosoft's AES isn't and likely will never be compatible with P3D.  So, how many payware airports have moving jetways?  Without AES, I would imagine that most sceneries just have static jetways in P3D. I guess it comes down to is it worth the hassle of starting over with not necessarily new(but significantly improved) simulator missing addons that I have spoiled by in FSX?  Anyway, I appreciate any advice or thoughts anyone has about my concerns.

 

I use ImagineSim's VIDP, though its for FSX only, it works fine just by copying over to P3D. However there were some performance issues in P3D compared to FSX. I finally managed to get rid of them by removing some taxiway bgls. I going to make a good guess that ATL may be the same.

 

Apart from what Rob mentioned, CLS 747 also performs good. CS 777 is terrible...

 

Regarding AES, the alternative GSX works well in P3D. Jetways work almost everywhere.

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LM offers a no-questions refund for 60 days after purchase.  That should be plenty of time to figure out if your current FSX add-ons are P3D-compatible.

 

Can you imagine MS ever allowing customers to get their money back after the sale?

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When you say the captain sim 777 is terrible, do you mean the fsx version or the one released for p3d? Maybe the only difference is the installer

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When you say the captain sim 777 is terrible, do you mean the fsx version or the one released for p3d? Maybe the only difference is the installer

 

The P3D version. The frame-rates in VC are terrible, barely flyable...

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the ifly 737 is a very solid product

 

I was a beta tester for the iFly 737 in FSX. It's a very good aircraft. They've basically ported that version over to P3D. I paid the $80 for it. The upside was the 30 money back gaurantee. I exercised that very quickly. On my system performance wise the iFly aircraft was probably worse than the CS 777. PMDG is going to make their aircraft available for P3D. The question is, when will it happen and at what price. I have both the Aerosoft Airbus and the Majestic Q400. Both are solid aircraft for P3D.

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Cannot say I have seen the great performance with some ad dons others are saying are fine.

 

The AEX works but stick it with a UK 2000 airport some AI and weather and things start to stutter

 

also be aware that P3d does not offer a full screen mode so there are issue with micro stutters LM believe this is something Nvidia should look at and not themselves..see there forum.

 

But on the plus side it is a great looking sim once everything is ironed out it will supper cede FSX but not yet for airline flying IMHO?

 

All the best

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I think you might be right Flaps15.  P3D looks incredible but maybe it's not time for me to jump on board since I am more into the IFR/airline flights.

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I use the iFly 737NG aircraft within P3D 2.3 and have no problems.

 

Hi Mike,

 

Do you have any performance issues with the iFly 737NG?  I don't have the product and have looked at it a few times but I see a lot of people reporting performance issues with the iFly 737NG.  The CS 777 performs about 33% lower than the Airbus X (i.e. CS 777 = 20 fps and Airbus X = 30 fps at same location/weather/settings) ... Does the iFly indeed perform lower than the CS 777?

 

 

 

P3D looks incredible but maybe it's not time for me to jump on board since I am more into the IFR/airline flights.

 

Still not sure I understand where this comes from?  Anyway, here is a flight I did from YSCB to NZCH with a lot of add-ons (listed in video details).  This was done prior to the LM "cloud fix" so you see some fps drop in the clouds on arrival.  I would not be able to complete a flight like this in FSX without compromising graphics considerably more than I do in P3D (my P3D settings are listed in video info) ... even used GSX at departure and arrival airports.  600MB VAS usage is pretty good considering add-ons.

 

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Great video Rob!  I meant that even though P3D is looking incredible, maybe I should give it some more time before I get it.  In FSX, I am flying some really incredible airliner simulations that maybe aren't working 100% in P3D yet.  So it would maybe be like taking a step backwards for me as far as aircraft simulation goes but leaps forward in quality and stability of the simulator platform.  I think I will probably buy the Academic License and go from there.  Like was mentioned earlier, if I don't like it, I've got 60 days to get my money back!

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I fly the cs777 and the cs L1011 and both work really well for me. If I were you i would just give it a try. You will likely be pleasantly surprised with the level of visual immersion. It's just 60 bucks for goodness sakes and you can get your money back. Hardly worth overthinking.

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But $60.00 is a lot of money when you live in South America Mike!

 

I understand ... however you are buying a complete simulator.   ^_^

 

You can drop that amount on just one aircraft, half that on a weather program.  :excl:

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Not complaining about the price at all. Just seeing if now was the time to do it or not. Buying tonight and will let you know what I think about it. Thanks all for your advice

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 It's just 60 bucks for goodness sakes and you can get your money back. Hardly worth overthinking.

 

Hi okupton,

 

i mean where is the problem. Its just 60 bucks with a no question refund policy. You can only win either a great sim experience or 60 bucks back in your pocket. 

 

Rob made a good vid on how P3Dv2.x works like an airliner sim. PMDG finally made the jump on the P3Dv2.x train. Another pro of v2 is it is under constant development. The LM and the brave betas (not to forget the users who reports bugs, workarounds and solutions) working hard to make this a perfect sim.

 

Im not into airline simming as this is my real world job so i cant tell you which planes work or not. But the big airports like KIAD, KDEN , KIAH, KMCO etc are pretty good in performance and fit very nice into the v2.x world.  For me v2.x is a GA/helicopter/Military sim and it gives you a great immersive -nearly as real as it gets- feeling in nearly all kinds of situations. 

 

My choice P3Dv2.x + ASN + lots of ORBX + lots of choppers etc...simply WOW!!!!

 

The choice is yours... ;)

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P3Dv2 is amazing.   I dropped FSX like a bad habit and if you are armed with Flight Estonia's Migration tool you don't have to worry about lose all of your FSX add-ons.   Most of the big airport add-ons are already P3D ready.   ORBX FTX Global is P3D ready.   MegaSceneryEarth is P3D ready for photoreal flyers.  EzDok can be used with P3D.  ActiveSkyNEXT and OPUS are P3D ready.  REX 4 Direct has native P3D support.     You can even get the PMDG 737NGX working with P3D with a little effort though it's not officially supported by PMDG.   I had very few of my FSX add-ons not load into P3D with the migration tool or with native P3D installers.  I am a happy birdy.  You will be too!   One of us!  One of us!

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The LM and the brave betas (not to forget the users who reports bugs, workarounds and solutions) working hard to make this a perfect sim.

 

Yes they do ... I get a lot of "why didn't you tell LM to fix it" from people that have no idea that I may have already reported the issue but because it wasn't fixed they assume I (or other beta testers) never reported it.  Beta testers yield NO power, we test, we report, and we try to make it easy to duplicate ... we do NOT have control over LM's priorities, there is no "fix it now Wes or else hot line".  Some things get address, some do not.  

 

What I try to encourage folks to do is drop the drama (as it serves no purpose), present your information -- screen shots, videos, saved flight files, and provide steps on how to replicate.  The more folks that can confirm an issue the more likely LM will take note and try to come back with a solution (be it temporary or permanent).  When LM can, they often do.

 

The "this is a Beta product" comments are just silly in this day and age ... you could apply that comment to any software in existence including the very OS it runs on.  

 

This is not directed at anyone in specific, just a generic comment from what I see and get asked a lot.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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What I try to encourage folks to do is drop the drama (as it serves no purpose), present your information -- screen shots, videos, saved flight files, and provide steps on how to replicate.

 

Rob, that's got to be some of the best advice I've seen.  Well said!

 

Scott

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iFly 737NG is a poor performer in Prepar3d V2.3. I have tried to make it work several times but the frame rates are poor at best.

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Cannot say I have seen the great performance with some ad dons others are saying are fine.

 

The AEX works but stick it with a UK 2000 airport some AI and weather and things start to stutter

 

also be aware that P3d does not offer a full screen mode so there are issue with micro stutters LM believe this is something Nvidia should look at and not themselves..see there forum.

 

But on the plus side it is a great looking sim once everything is ironed out it will supper cede FSX but not yet for airline flying IMHO?

 

All the best

 

Correct funny that so many skip the micro stutters which is a no go for me personally lol

At this point FSX is the main sim and watch carefully the progress LM is making ;-)

So Prepar3d is sitting on a nice SSD for testing lol

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