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Don't let it get to you Tom. No matter what you, SOMEONE will always p*ss and moan. You can't please everybody. If it a legitimate gripe well then ok, deal with it. But the cr*p flying around the newsgroups, just ignore it. You've got a good layal fanbase here :)

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The sad fact of the matter is that for as long as there have been forums and newsgroups, and for as long as there will be, there will be people like that.Even having restrictive membership requirements probably won't stop it, although it may slow it down to some extent.

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And that is not to mention the large number of downloads of mseh scenery that are hammering our server. I wish some ofthe readers here at AVSIM would understand what they are getting for free and learn both a little appreciation and courtesy. And I don't have any idea how many times we have said we do not charge and have no intention of charging for any type of access to AVSIM or the files in the libraryRobert KirklandASSOCIATE PUBLISHERAVSIM

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Tom,(and all the AVSIM staff)I haven't posted in a long time...but felt that i had to today.Please,disregard those little microbes that are infesting the FS world.You guys are doing a tremedous job,and beeing without AVSIM would be very sad for me.Yes it's been(a very tiny bit)more difficult to download in the past couple of days....i say...so what...the file will still be there..why such a hurry?To be honnest..after a couple of times hitting refresh..the download started..at least(as opposed to another site we know....)the download is actually happening at a decent speed for high speed users.Like i said ,i rarely say anything...but read a lot from the AVSIM forums...it comes at the same level of priority as the first coffee in the morning..:D Thanks so much to all of you for the hard work...and also money that you are putting to please us....Best regardsRichard CYHZ

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Tom, I feel your pain. too many times I see posts about a release from someone that hosted the file on their site only to have the site go down due to excessive bandwidth and then the posts start basically saying the author was an idiot for not anticipating this and not preventing it.The world is full of demanding , childish, immature individuals unfortunately, but I like to think they are a vast minority, just their whining seems to stand out above the logic.There are people in this world that are without PCs, without FS, without electricity, without food even, and these whiners have nothing better to do that complain because they can't get the file they want, when they want it,... one thing to say....grow up and get a life and go fly!I fully support you guys and truly appreciate this site. I would understand if you packed it up, although I wouldn't be happy about it. My FS9 folder is about 16 gigs at the moment, I run a VA, I have several projects working in FSDS and I HAVE A LIFE, I think I can wait till you guys get things rolling again and not worry about not being able to get a file, or view a screenshot. Tom, Ken, Matt, Aidi, et al, THANK YOU for this home away from home!Regards, MichaelKDFWhttp://www.calvirair.com/mcpics/PBTMCa.jpgCalVirAir International VACougar Mountain Helicopters & Aviation[link:www.cgrmtnhelos.com]Cougar Mountain Helicopters

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I agree Tom, I can not believe that people actually have the audacity to come on here and complain when you have clearly stated what you are doing. I too am very sick of the me generation, well actually the me crowd because they are in every generation, always complaining when they can't get what they want when they want it. Let me tell you that I am thrilled to have Avsim available to me, you guys do it better than anyone, period, and it is all for free and because you guys choose to do this for us. I can not believe that there are people who can complain about that, all I can say is if you can do it better than Avsim then do it but don't come here and complain because you aren't satisfied with a slow down while they try to make the whole experience even better for you. Please people grow up,even I behaved better than this at five years old, and if I did start my parents would give me a whack to put me back in line. This is a great service, don't bite the hand that feeds you!!! Tom and everyone at Avsim you have my thanks for what you do and what you go through, you also have my apologies for those that can not see past themselves.Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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So long as nothing is perfect, and people are dumb and whiny...someone with a longer attention span can finish that.

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Tom, even if AVSIM could never provide me with another file, I would be eternally grateful for all that you HAVE given me. I'm sure that we all have more great planes and sceneries (all free) than we could ever begin to fully utilize and appreciate. Why complain because we can't move on to something new for a week or two? I hope that you will announce a spring fundraiser that we can all get behind and demonstrate what the vast majority thinks of AVSIM. Hopefully, we'll never take you for granted again.John F

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Dont Listen. We love ya Tom!Your still the best.P.S. Im going now to click on every banner on the site ....Twice.

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Tom,I'm a brand new member to AVSIM, so I probably don't have the right to voice an opinion, but I have been coming here and viewing the forums and library for over a year. Just never registered until a few minutes ago.We don't mean no disrespect to AVSIM or the flight sim community. I love it as a hobby even tho I really suck at it. I'm probably not as big of a FS'er as some of the others, just fly it in my off time, but it is enjoyable and your site helped make it enjoyable. This is the only flight sim site I do visit regularly. If you take it away you'll be taking away the interest of lot of people. I'm willing to wait as are others until I get a connection for downloads. Not that I really downloaded much anyway because I don't know what I'm doing yet (still doing them tutorials). But I beg of you, please, do not take the site down. Your staff has contributed loads to the community to help make it the #1 site and we'd like to see you keep it that way.On a side note, $6000 for a server? Wow, I thought they were cheaper, around the $4000 area :(

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That BS,Tom. If it makes ya feel better I appreciate you. Send those putz's my way. I'll kick their #### for ya.

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Tom, I've been downloading from here and lurking the forums for a very long time. This site is an excellent source for downloads and the forums are really helpful. However you must understand that people love to criticize and this will happen whether the site is free or not. It is an inherent nature for many people never to be satisfied. You guys do all this out of the goodness of your heart and to share your love of this hobby with others. Sure there are times I cant

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Thanks Tom for a job well done. I think we are dealing with a bunch of children here, at least I hope so.Steve A

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Tom,Let me also thank the Avsim team for their efforts to keep this site up and running. Don't let the rants of a few immature people get you down. They are the minority. Regular updates about the problem were posted. We knew everything that was going on. Everyone at Avsim was very up front and honest about the issues. I cannot say that about many other sites on the Internet. Keep up the good work, and remember that you have the full support of the community behind you. Sincerely,Craig Swartzlander

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Tom,What you and your staff are doing with the community is, for lack of a better term, monumental. There is a story, which I can be sure that some of us have heard of it before, that goes something like "Two mice fell into a bucket of cream, the first mouse panicked and used up all his energy trying to get out- he drowned. The second mouse preserved his energy, paced himself, and swam around and around, in a nice slow fashion until the cream turned to butter, and he climbed his way out."Whats the moral of the story in AVSIM's case?Mouse #1- The kids who e-mailed you. "Oh no! I'm in a bad position! No files to download! What do I do! Ahh! Mommy! I'm Gunna... *garrrrglleee*"Mouse #2- The AVSIM Body, it knock out the pests one by one, flatten them out, taking the time to ensure it gets done well! And in the end, when your passed this road block, you can once again continue your road to absolute victory, and nothing short of it. Jason :-wave

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Hi TomThanks for what you have said. As a long-tooth member of Avsim I have been concerned for some time over the transition from those who pulled their sleeves up and contributed to what seems to be so much a "me now" vocal group.Those who have posted above have covered all I wanted to say.This is just another message of support for the top FS site on the net.Many thanks for all that you and your team do for us.CheersMike

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I just want to add my thanks to Tom and the rest of the staff as well. I have enjoyed many resources from your library, and received help in your forums over the years.I apologize that I don't extend a thank you more frequently. Unfortunately, whiners tend to be more vocal than the satisfied and grateful majority.My hat is off to everyone here who has made my hobby a little more enjoyable in one way or another.best regards,Dave

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Hey Tom, please don't let those idiots get the best of you. There are 1000s more people who appreicate what you do everyday and understand the predicament you are in. Don't let those vocal, childlike, ignorant, pimples on societies hind-end get to you.

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I thought the `children` were rather entertaining, in a petty, peurile, idiotic, shambolically ignorant kind of way. The actual LACK of understanding shown by these people tells me they clearly can't even read properly, let alone write! It shouldn't give anyone at Avsim cause for pain, unless it's ribs aching from laughter. :-lolAfter all, the rest of us are laughing. We actually read and understand the situation - if they're that stupid they won't understand and THAT stupid they'll cut off their noses to spite their own faces, and give away their childish natures, then cheerio! :-waveIf any of them are past nine or ten I'll eat my hat. And I'm talking IQ, not age. And I don't own a hat.x:-)Allcott

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Dear Tom and AVSIM Staff:I have never replied to a forum message before, but I felt compelled to voice my sincere appreciation to you and your staff for the outstanding job you do and for the countless hours of enjoyment you help to bring to thousands of enthusiasts. Even though I am never surprised by some of the comments that are made, I know that when I do read them, I feel a deep sense of disappointment that there are those who lurk in the shadows and whose sole purpose it is to be critical.I have often wondered how many of the people who have given so much of their time and talent to this hobby can stay involved after the attacks that are made on their contributions. I find it hard to believe that there are so many that become so critical over some of the most insignificant things. The way some of these folks expect a simulator to fly like the real thing is beyond me. I am amazed by how accurate so many of the systems are, and how "real" the aircraft fly. I wish I were able to offer a solution, but please know that your work and investment is appreciated. I am guilty of being in the silent majority. Perhaps many of us need to take a moment to express our thanks. Continued success to you and your organization.Dave

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>If any of them are past nine or ten I'll eat my hat. And I'm talking IQ, not age. And I don't own a hat. :-lol Nice nice, very nice!

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Tom and all the dedicated people at AVSIM,I'm sure you realize that most of the people here are decent folks who really do appreciate all that you provide for us at AVSIM. Even so it still hurts and angers when a very small group, instead of being appreciative, starts throwing insults at you. I'm not even sure that it's the temporary server problems per se that sets them off. Rather I get the feeling that they are just vicious beings who are always on the lookout for some excuse to unleash their viciousness. If it were up to me I would ban them because of the obvious dammage they do, such as driving talented people away from the FS comunity and just plain hurting people. I havn't read the AVSIM rules and regs for a long time but aren't these people in violation? Anyway, I havn't been able to download from the library, though I havn't made a great effort to. I'd just rather wait until the new server is up and running; the files I want will still be there. It's not going to detract from my enjoyment of flight simming one bit by having to wait a while for this or that file. I think you are all doing a great job at AVSIM and it really angers me that you have to deal with all this crap. I hope you ban these creeps before they cause even more harm, which I'm sure they will do given the opportunity.Please keep up the great work.Losing AVSIM would be like a death in the family.David

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Hello Tom, I concur with what everyone here has said so far, but please allow me to make a few remarks.No matter what one does, someone will always criticize. You know this perfectly well. The only way to avoid criticism is by not doing anything. BUT, what would the world be if nobody did anything? It is thanks to you and the entire staff that this hobby has been able to advance so much. You have done much more for us than any single author of add-ons.Aside from the usual reasons for bad manners that you have mentioned, there is also probably an element of (or, rather, a lack of) information among many people. Particularly those who do not take the time or have the habit of reading the information on the front page. Because of this lack of information, they are not prepared for the difficulties with the library, and therefore frustration sets in more readily than otherwise.The Library staff has admirably taken the time to indicate the status of the Library on its first page. This certainly helps, as everyone can see whether they will have problems or not.Perhaps they would also consider adding more text to the small AvSim file that is also included with all downloads. This text might include a reminder that AvSim is free, that download bandwidth is not limited, that your goal has always been to further and enhance this hobby for the benefit of all. Just a few words like this to remind everybody MIGHT prevent some people from blowing up over temporary difficulties. The AvSim staff has already shown their desire to increase the amount of information for all the users and this is commendable. Maybe a little more information like the above could help to avoid this kind of incident.Many thanks again. Best regards.Luis

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The last two weeks if anything make me realize just how tenable our relationship with AVSIM might be. Like a long lost friend I never realized what I had until it was gone. The giveme giveme attitude is a sign of the times. The destruction of family values, the wave of selfish nausea that crosses our Country from shore to shore. There is a great hard working country of 900 million people standing in line waiting for the opportuninty to provide a better life for their children and families and they are consuming our economy. When I started in my profession "Tool and Die" 30 years ago we put an ad in the paper the next day they were standing in line two city blocks long. Now the Help wanted ad stays in the window all year long. For every 30 kids that come in the door. "One" may show up for work long enought to make it through the ninty day probation period. He may never amount to a hill of beans either. No one wants to work for a living anymore. Im not saying all young people are this way just a whole lot more than there use to be. This pervasive attitude reflects itself in everything from the random killing in our streets to the corporate scandles that have rocked the foundations of our economy.We can only borrow againts our future for so long. What is happening here is just another testiment. Thank You AVSIM for your love of the Hobby and your gift to us.Dennis

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