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What happened to the FS2004 products?

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Just went to buy a PMDG aircraft for FS2004 from PMDG's website and there aren't any.

 

Jon Clay

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Where did you hear or read that FS2004 products are no longer active? Thanks for the information about signing my post. This is my first time on the PMDG forum and didn't see that requirement so I've signed it now. I also didn't see your signature but for some reason they don't show up on an iPad but I now see it on my PC.

 

Jon Clay

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Ummm..... Jon, I believe he has signed his post in his signature! Also, I think this thread may provide some info: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/287950-pmdg-done-with-fs9/

I stand corrected on that. I'm using an iPad and signatures are not showing up. I logged in using my PC and can see signatures.

 

I can understand stopping continuous development for FS2004 but it would be nice if we could still download their FS2004 products with the caveat that there would be no support. Does anyone know if they announced they would be pulling their FS2004 products and when it happened? I was out there not too long ago and didn't see anything mentioned and when I went back to purchase FS2004 products were gone.

 

Jon Clay

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Thanks Kyle. I do see some retailers still selling boxed versions. Do the updates on the PMDG site work for boxed products?

 

Jon Clay

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Just out of curiosity, can I ask why you are interested in 2004 products?

I cant answer for the OP, but my reason for sticking with FS9 is that I have invested a lot of money and time over the last 10 years adding :

 

mesh; gound environment; flight environment; terrain; weather engine; over 200 addon detailed airports (payware and freeware) plus hundreds of more basic airports/AFCADS; an extremely comprehensive set of AI flightplans and aircraft/textures; many payware and freeware aircraft including PMDG 737-800/900; 747 PAX + Freighter; MD-11.

 

The thought of switching to FSX or P3d, and starting again is not one I wish to go down at this stage. I do understand why FS9 products are not being developed anymore, but it would be a shame if the existing PMDG products are not available for another FS9 user.

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Some people keep flying FS2004 and that's there own choice however PMDG simply don't support that platform anymore though they can still be purchased just not here anymore you can search for it on google will always come up with a result

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Do the updates on the PMDG site work for boxed products?

 

Yep! All the same stuff. The only true difference is that the retailer puts everything on a CD and puts that in a pretty box. Otherwise, it's all the same.

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I cant answer for the OP, but my reason for sticking with FS9 is that I have invested a lot of money and time over the last 10 years adding :

 

mesh; gound environment; flight environment; terrain; weather engine; over 200 addon detailed airports (payware and freeware) plus hundreds of more basic airports/AFCADS; an extremely comprehensive set of AI flightplans and aircraft/textures; many payware and freeware aircraft including PMDG 737-800/900; 747 PAX + Freighter; MD-11.

 

The thought of switching to FSX or P3d, and starting again is not one I wish to go down at this stage. I do understand why FS9 products are not being developed anymore, but it would be a shame if the existing PMDG products are not available for another FS9 user.

Investment? I have 'invested' a lot of money in beer over the last 11 years and have a soft belly to show for it. I have 'spent' lots of money on entertainment, including some on FS9 and its add-ons. I certainly do not expect to be able to re-sell any of it let alone make a profit on it so I would be very reluctent to call it an investment.

 

With Prepare3D available under $50 and FSX available on Steam for €4.99, exactly how big a risk do you think you are taking in trying them? One final point, you do not have to fly FSX -or- FS9, you are allowed to fly FSX -and- FS9 and choose the one that gives you the most pleasure for the flight you want. For example, if you like low and slow, try flying a Carenado C206 from Wanaka to Queenstown at dawn in P3Dv2 with Orbx New Zealand South Island for scenary, mesh, airports, terrain, ground environment etc, and Active Sky Next for flight environment, weather, textures and other goodies. If you prefer fuller systems but still low enough to be pretty, your next leg could be the PMDG J41, or the even nicer Majestic Q400, Queenstown to Christchuch. From there you could take the PMDG 737 direct to Auckland in less than ideal weather, perhaps a storm blowing throw the straits? You could then switch to a PMDG 777 for probably the longest haul and highest quality tubeliner flight possible on a home PC. Fly to KL if you want  a complex flight the needs lots of careful planning, or to LA for a superlong-haul but simple over water flight. After that, you can tell me if you think your investment still has potential, and remember, I used to fly FS9 so I will know when you are fibbing.

Just in case you still don't believe me:

 

FSX  €4.99 : http://store.steampowered.com/app/314160/

Carenado C206 : ~€10  http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php

 

Orbx New Zealand South Island : ~€27 https://www.fullterrain.com/product/nzsi

Active Sky Next : ~€37 http://www.hifitechinc.com/products/activeskynext

 

Base setup with FSX about €85, with P3Dv2 about €110

 

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Edited by Paul_Smith

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Guys, it really, honestly doesn't matter. If someone wants to continue using FS95, they can certainly do so.

 

Heck, I still have an Atari and an old school Nintendo (both of which, I have a significant investment in). I don't, however, get upset that developers have moved on to XBOX One and Playstation (whatever v-number they're on...4?). People don't really criticize me for keeping the old Atari under my TV and still messing with it on occasion.

 

Same here:

People can use whatever sim they like. Just don't be surprised when devs stop releasing things for old platforms. Also, don't be surprised that people don't have the disposable income to upgrade systems and re-purchase a lot of add-ons for the newer sims.

 

Beyond that, there's honestly no reason to argue or get upset about it.

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What about those people who own the 747 for FS9 and decided to go and re-install it.  Can they activate the product?

At least have some decency to inform us as we have paid in good faith and you are just removing it without any notification.

Some answer would be appreciated.

 

Regards

Mo

 

How many of us bought add-ons  in bad faith?

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What about those people who own the 747 for FS9 and decided to go and re-install it.  Can they activate the product?

 

I don't recall anyone saying that you would no longer be able to activate the product. Can you link to that thread/announcement/sticky/rumor?

 

The answer would be 'yes.' Just because it's no longer sold does not mean everyone is henceforth cut off.

 

 

 


At least have some decency to inform us as we have paid in good faith and you are just removing it without any notification.

 

I think this goes both ways - it's usually more proper to assume that someone would honor a purchase rather than accuse them without proof to the contrary.

 

 

 


Regards
Mo

 

You've been here long enough to know the forum rule here: first and last name, please.

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Thanks for the answer

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This order has been processed

 

Date Processed: 8/2/2005

 

Downloadable Product(s) Information

 

[Order information removed]

 

Regards

Mo

 

You're welcome for the answer. Any reason why you chose to post your order information, to include your personal download link on a semi-public forum?

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Just out of curiosity, can I ask why you are interested in 2004 products?

Call it boredom with the current stuff I have. I use FSX, FSX Steam, and FS2004 and the MD-11 for FS2004 was one on I'm my wish list for quite some time so thought I'd get it and challenge myself with the advanced startup procedures. My FS2004 runs better but that's not to say I wouldn't someday pick up the FSX version. They had a nice package deal where you could get both the FSX and FS2004 version so was going to go that route. Unfortunately can't do that now but not upset about it. Too bad cause it was $ for PMDG. Just wish they would have made an announcement on some of the flight sim sites or at least on their site they were taking them down but that's their choice. I shouldn't have waited so long to try and get it. Easy come easy go...

 

Jon Clay

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Investment? I have 'invested' a lot of money in beer over the last 11 years and have a soft belly to show for it. I have 'spent' lots of money on entertainment, including some on FS9 and its add-ons. I certainly do not expect to be able to re-sell any of it let alone make a profit on it so I would be very reluctent to call it an investment.

 

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Invest : "To spend or devote for future advantage or benefit "

 

You read my use of the word "invested", far too narrowly, and totally ignored the point I was making.

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Gents-

 

The FS2004 versions of our products are no longer for sale- and haven't been for some time.  Some of you may recall that we announced in 2008 that we were ceasing development for FS2004 products.  After six years, the sale of these products comprised less than 1/10th of 1% of our revenue in the first three quarters of 2014 and none of us have FS2004 installed thus making support more and more challenging moving forward.

 

Our decision to cease selling them has no impact on your ability to redownload/activate them.

 

I understand that a few folks enjoy creating drama over other's selection for simming platform- but such behavior is officially discouraged in this forum and we ask that you take it elsewhere, please.

 

In our case- we simply find that it costs more to support the continued sale of these products than they create in revenue- and since we are a business- we have elected to take them off the market.

 

Mo:  In the future, rather than lashing out at us (and Kyle specifically) perhaps you should politely ask for clarification.  Kyle talked me out of taking punitive action against your account access- so may want to thank "Mr. Rodgers" before taking pot-shots at him next time.

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PMDG folks,

 

Thanks for clarifying your position on FS2004 products. I certainly understand your position and support your decision. It makes no sense to lose money supporting something. I apologize for my post and it wasn't intended to bring such drama to the forum. It would be fine with me if you locked it or just removed it as my original question was answered.

 

Jon Clay

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I do apologize Kyle for my behaviour.

Mo

And you still didn't sign your name... 

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The rules about signing  names seem totally inconsistent here.

 

I couldn't continue post on a PMDG threadcontinues to post on thread and asked  AVSIM why::

 

"Why can't I  post in "We want a new PMDG MD-11!". All I did  was to comment on the few members who wanted a new PMDG MD-11. Is that a breach of the ToS?.

Gerry Howard"

 

AVSIM's reply was:

 

"PMDG removed the topic because the topic starter did not sign his full name.  Not a breach of the AVSIM ToS but a breach of PMDG rules. PMDG has decided to get very strict with this policy.

 

Best regards,

 

Jim Young / Forums Director | AVSIM Online!
http://www.avsim.com"

 

You could have fooled me!

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Maybe people will start to sign their names than as per the rules

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The rules about signing names seem totally inconsistent here.

Honestly, they're not: Full real names are mandatory on the PMDG subforum, but not anywhere else on AVSIM as far as I can recall. It's a demand by PMDG, not AVSIM.

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