Original version or not, don't you think that if CS has updated the 707 for the boxed version that they wouldn't release it first for the download users to beta test?All jokes aside, sort of, have you looked at the Just Flight 707 page? It has CS all over the place so, YES, this is the same product. Take it from someone who beta tested this alpha release.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpg

>My point is until it's released no one can be certain if it's>the original version or not.You are of course quite correct, though as has been commented on above, why on earth would the CS publicity machine not have the updated version splashed all over the place so they can profit from the download sales instead of accepting what must surely be a reduced income from boxed sales?Maybe it's time take odds on whether or not it's identical to the current release :-)EDIT: John got there first.

>I don't know and, until it's released, you don't know it's>the same aircraft.Hi,Just a little something for you, directly from the product description.Any name you find familiar? ;-)------------------------------------------------------------"Captain Sim, the development team"------------------------------------------------------------Fly safe, Staffan AhlbergSweden/Stockholm/ESSAhttp://www.scandicair.com/images/dc9_banner.jpg"I will come and cut your lawn for a high quality DC8-63 system"[/color]My specs are:Dell Dimension 4600 P4/3.0 Ghz1024 Mb DDR333 Dual channel memory (2x256,1x512)128 Mb ATI Radeon 9800 ProOmega 2.5.58DirectX 9.0cW XP Home with SP1E171FPb Flat panel monitor 17"240Gb (2x120) 7200rpm HD

Having read many, many posts on this subject, your last one Staffan had me muttering to myself "Trade Descriptions Act" before realizing it's time to say nothing more or I'll end up in hot water.:-outta

Hmm,...You are so right Paul. That

In my opinion, JustFlight and CS's distribution agreement did not specify a patched version. If it did, JustFlight and for sure CS would have announced it. With all this kerfuffel, and all that's gone on in the past, a patch would be very big news, i.e. publicity, indeed. But JustFlight can't do this. A boxed version is the kind of thing that a kid gives his dad for his birthday. Dad could take off, turn the autopilot on, and turn to talk to Johnny while his brand new 707 noses in. So here's my take from way out in left field on what will happen now.There was no agreement for a patch, but JustFlight will come to its senses and realize selling the existing 707 as a boxed version will not fly, so to speak. There's nothing much for them to gain in the big scheme of things by selling it but a whole lot to lose. They then tell CS that they can't market it as is, and voila! CS announces that there is a patch in development for the 707. They have obviously lost the customer relationship so they can't afford to #### off their distributors. JustFlight comes out looking like a star for what was a pretty shady deal to begin with, CS only has to gain 1 or 2 loyal customers to double their loyal customer base, and we get a patch. billg

I wish!Everyone has dreams, but not all of them come true, this being one of those.Jeff

In case you want to call someone a "####"?Cheers,Gosta.http://www.hifisim.com/images/as2betateam.jpg

LOL!!! I'm surprised that's allowed, if one of my kids called that, they'd get grounded!!I wonder what'll happen if I called someone a ####?EDIT: Bloody ####, I'm glad I checked to see if that one was allowed ...... could've been embarassing to say the least.EDIT2: Amazing, I'm allowed to call someone a ####, but I can't say ####!

PaulI read your post before you edited it - and almost choked on my Frosties. Evidently the yanks don't recognise the term. 'Watch your bloody language', as my father was fond of saying.Ian:-)

I asked JustFlight in its forum:"I have seen posts on other forums alleging that the 707 as sold by Captain Sim has serious flaws.Is the version about to be released by JustFlight the same or has it been patched to alleviate the alleged flaws?"JustFlight replied:"Hi,When it first came out the were several reports of bugs but these have now been addressed and the published version is the latest version containing all the fixes"Make of that what you will.

Oooops!!! Sorry about that, I did try and do it quickly, edit the post that is :-)

Well this could be good news after all then, I for one would buy it if I saw users praising the fixes.Just to try and get to the bottom of this for myself, I've also asked for details of the date of these fixes they refer too.

>I asked JustFlight in its forum:>>"I have seen posts on other forums alleging that the 707 as>sold by Captain Sim has serious flaws.>>Is the version about to be released by JustFlight the same or>has it been patched to alleviate the alleged flaws?">>JustFlight replied:>>"Hi,>When it first came out the were several reports of bugs but>these have now been addressed and the published version is the>latest version containing all the fixes">>Make of that what you will.Hi,Well,..I wouldn

I have several JF boxed items and several downloaded items that they also do as boxed. gnerally i do not got any duplcates, in that i have the boxed 727 but not the downloaded and the downloaded 340/330 but not the boxed. there is one exception though; i have both the PSS vulcan and the JF "RAF Vulcan". while both prducts are very similar the JF Vulcna has been developed further to include different models, in that the JF version includes over the PSS version missiles, parachute and fueling rig. It could be possible that the 707 professional is indeed "fixed".