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After a "PC Event" I have to re-register my several ORBX scenery items into P3D 2.5. Is there any method, other than individual item manual installation, to get these into the P3D scenery database?

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Yes, if you made some backups BEFORE this happend. 

 

Jack

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No, because the `PC Event` will have wiped out the original registry entries and keys, so backups won't help in this case. And the P3D install will have put all original textures in place.

 

I have looked at alternatives as I've done several reinstalls of P3D over the past few months. A full reinstall of the FTX stuff, one at a time is the only way to go - and the opportunity to make sure the installers are all up-to-date.

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Isn't it so much fun to do this?  Almost as fun as giving yourself a root canal.  :Big Grin:

 

I've reinstalled so much over the past few years, I can do it in my sleep but yet, every time I do it, the wife always wonders why I walk around the house, mumbling obscenities to myself.

 

-Jim

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Maybe someday Lockheed will allow ORBX to make a simple program that does this automatically.

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I am not sure why lockheed would prevent it.infact with ftx central tool they should have added the ability to download the sceneries automatically and reinstall them in a particular order.and perhaps provide some customization for installation..

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Lockheed will allow ORBX to make a simple program

 

Lockheed does not prevent Orbx from making backups.  Orbx have FTX Central 2 and "I think" they plan to further expand on that utility ... I would recommend you make a formal suggestion over on the official Orbx forums. 

 

I think what you might be looking for is something like the MSE (MegaSceneryEarth) folks provide that allows multiple products to install unattended.  Seems like a good idea, certainly worth provide Orbx with feature request.

 

As far as backup - depends on the type of backup you make ... if your backup software can make drive images then it would restore any necessary Orbx registration keys and/or hidden files.  If you have a very complex environment you can't afford to lose, then I highly recommend you look into drive imaging software and schedule a regular backup process.  But it depends on your "PC-Event" ... if you have to change motherboards and/or CPU they drive image restore will probably NOT work unless you boot into SAFE mode (after image restore) and basically rest all your hardware profile so that you don't load incompatible MB/chipset drivers.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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You guys have really hit a sore spot. I can never understand why it takes so long for the installers to be unpacked. I have re-installed many times as well. It usually takes me several days to complete. I have become overly obsessive on a few occasions installing early in the morning till the wee hours, unable to eat, drink or sleep until I have a fully running sim. I used to install mesh and UTX as well which also takes a very long time. I installed ORBX Vector to try and save myself time instead of installing all the UTX installers but Vector gives me OOM's so until there is a solution I trashed it . I concur that a megascenery installer would be great. 

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You guys have really hit a sore spot. I can never understand why it takes so long for the installers to be unpacked. I have re-installed many times as well. It usually takes me several days to complete. I have become overly obsessive on a few occasions installing early in the morning till the wee hours, unable to eat, drink or sleep until I have a fully running sim. I used to install mesh and UTX as well which also takes a very long time. I installed ORBX Vector to try and save myself time instead of installing all the UTX installers but Vector gives me OOM's so until there is a solution I trashed it . I concur that a megascenery installer would be great.

Haha..same here..get up earlyin the morning to start the P3D reinstallation ritual

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Stop looking at the reinstall as a marathon and start looking at it as a `holiday` - a chance to de-stress your bloated sim, give it a rest by removing all the old tat and allow it space to relax.

 

i had the same view as you guys in the bad old FSX days, but P3D is a constantly-evolving product, there is no no consistent baseline, and with OS, hardware and software changes you are almost BOUND to have to reinstall sooner rather than later, so I treat it as an opportunity not a chore.

 

You need a different mindset with P3D and the addons you use with it. If you are truly slogging away from sparrows fart to put back all the bloat, then did you really need it in the first place ? I run a far leaner sim with higher standards than I ever did in the FSX days. I already have a short list of `things to probably leave out` of my next reinstall.

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I'll tell you one worse, installing your ORBX scenery in P3D and constantly getting red X errors, ignoring them because "it'll be ok", only to find they didn't install ok and then finding out later in a post on ORBX forums that Lockheed decided to pull a fast one and move the terrain.cfg file somewhere else...THEN reinstall everything once you move the cfg file where it belongs.  Happened to me last night and fortunately, I hadn't had a lot of ORBX scenery installed yet.  Yeesh.

 

-Jim

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Very good point on Image reinstall. It is very easy to forget that there is software specific to the motherboard, and possibly other components, that very few ever see or realize are there. While a motherboard replacement is one of the times these configuration files become needed, I also had  that Event require me to redownload the motherboard specific "drivers/config" files. No, I had lost the motherboard CD/DVD to answer that obvious question and why you should keep it safe.

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ignoring them because "it'll be ok", only to find they didn't install ok and then finding out later in a post on ORBX forums that Lockheed decided to pull a fast one and move the terrain.cfg file somewhere else...THEN reinstall everything once you move the cfg file where it belongs.  Happened to me last night and fortunately, I hadn't had a lot of ORBX scenery installed yet.

 

There are solutions to this ... 3rd party provide intelligent installers that can self update.  A few 3rd party devs have already done this and realized that the FS platform is changing and going to continue changing.

 

There are various development tools that can also be incorporated into one's development environment to make this happen with minimal effort from ClickOnce to InstallShield to Wise to one's own custom AutoUpdate code.

 

I've used all of them -- ClickOnce is the easiest to implement but has many restrictions.  InstallShield is the most flexible and most expensive and the most difficult to use.  But in most cases I've gone with my own AutoUpdate code ... code can be a little tricky but not too painful.  As always OS security context tends to want to default to blocking this type of code so more work and cost are involved (CA code signing certs, etc.) to work "with" OS security.

 

Not a trivial process, but definitely something I think many in the FS world would appreciate but I'm not sure how many would be willing to pay a higher product price (more development time = more cost).

 

Cheers, Rob.

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I always find a fresh reinstall to be refreshing, even if due to an "event."

 

Furthermore I take tho opportunity to install only the addons I use most. It's been a while since I had ALL of my Orbx installed at the same time. It's just overkill for my taste.

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I like some of your "ZEN" like approaches to re-installation, but I barley get enough time to fly as it is with, three children work and life constantly bearing down on me. I will take any simplification or speedy improvement that developers develop. As was stated earlier in the thread, if users had to install very single installer for megascenery (and I have a lot) then it would take weeks to install for someone like  me. As it is when I reinstall my photoscenery I have to add it by hand into the sims library. I suspect that there is a simpler way such as keeping a copy of the scenery cfg but I have never tried it. 

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I'm in the process of getting my 2.5 environment going and I'm just adding them as I want to fly to/around them.  Today, Darrington...tomorrow Diamond Pointe.  Kinda not so painful as doing them all at once and I just fly around them and enjoy for a while.

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I like some of your "ZEN" like approaches to re-installation, but I barley get enough time to fly as it is with, three children work and life constantly bearing down on me. I will take any simplification or speedy improvement that developers develop. As was stated earlier in the thread, if users had to install very single installer for megascenery (and I have a lot) then it would take weeks to install for someone like  me. As it is when I reinstall my photoscenery I have to add it by hand into the sims library. I suspect that there is a simpler way such as keeping a copy of the scenery cfg but I have never tried it. 

 

No Mike that won't work as many sceneries need to add or change textures in folders other than their addon folder location, some need entries adding to the dll.xml and others need a recognised installation so their key registrations work - so its' probably just time to get more Zen !   :Peace:  

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This is exactly why I have now installed FSX SE with all of my favourite add-ons, and there's a lot of them. As my new system runs FSX SE locked at 30fps and is smooth as butter, all I am personally missing out on is cloud shadows.

What is great and what I forgot, after exclusively using P3D for the last few years, is how nice it is to have all of my old sceneries and aircraft back, including a fully working UT2 AI fleet. All of my old Orbx airports work, all of my photoscenery looks great again and, as FSX SE appears to be a stable platform, it is now my go to sim for all flights.

I will keep a base install of P3D to follow development but do not have the time to do a full reinstall and optimisation every few months, especially when a full reinstall can take more than three weeks, due to limited time available.

@Phoenixphire - Install Photoscenery into a separate folder, ideally on a separate drive to your main sim, if it's P3D and needs regular updating, and keep a copy of your 'final working' scenery.cfg file. You only need to add the entries again (cut and paste) and resync the layers to get the scenery working in a new version. Use scenery config editor (freeware) for this. I just did this with over 200gb of Photoscenery, including Megascenery and Playsims UK and it saved me hours. Everything works fine. I wouldn't copy Orbx files and as that takes so long to reinstall (4 hours last time), I chose to install FSX SE so that I only have to reinstall once more.
I would rather fly than tweak and reinstall.

I like some of your "ZEN" like approaches to re-installation, but I barley get enough time to fly as it is with, three children work and life constantly bearing down on me. I will take any simplification or speedy improvement that developers develop. As was stated earlier in the thread, if users had to install very single installer for megascenery (and I have a lot) then it would take weeks to install for someone like me. As it is when I reinstall my photoscenery I have to add it by hand into the sims library. I suspect that there is a simpler way such as keeping a copy of the scenery cfg but I have never tried it.

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