Thanks Ryan, without HDR it looks heaps better at night!

 

I've posted about this several times now. HDR utterly ruins very carefully calibrated back lighting. You can always email me for support but it seems you chosen not to. For support send an email with your registered keycode or order number and I would have given you the same info as you've got from others here, for which thanks.

Excuse me if this is a silly question - I am new here.

In the virtual cockpit I see clearly the switches and indicators for aileron trim and rudder trim, but there is no visible switch for elevator trim. Only the indicator is there.

So where and how is elevator trim operated in the real aircraft?

Was it too difficult to build this in the virtual cockpit?

Thanks in advance, Fritz

Hi Fritz,

 

I'm sure Robert will be able to give you a definite answer, but as far as I know, the "hat switch" on the stick is used for that purpose, similar to various Vans models.

 

Tym

Hi Fritz,

 

I'm sure Robert will be able to give you a definite answer, but as far as I know, the "hat switch" on the stick is used for that purpose, similar to various Vans models.

 

Tym

Thank you Tym!

 

Now it is clear that this hat switch is not modelled in the virtual cockpit, as it would be quite difficult to reach it.

 

Fritz

Here I found what I was looking for - the position of the four trim buttons on the control stick grip and of one trim rocker switch at the center console in real life:

 

http://lancairlegacy.com/Gallery_images/Legacy_article.pdf

 

Not quite the same as in the RealAir Legacy.

Fritz

Here I found what I was looking for - the position of the four trim buttons on the control stick grip and of one trim rocker switch at the center console in real life:

 

http://lancairlegacy.com/Gallery_images/Legacy_article.pdf

 

Not quite the same as in the RealAir Legacy.

Fritz

 

There is absolutely no point in designing mouse controllable trim switches into a 3d virtual simulated joystick. NO-ONE ever uses these switches in a sim for trim control. EVERYONE assigns trim to two buttons or keys (up and down) on their physical keypad or joystick, or assigns them to a lever. The reason is very obvious. It is completely pointless to have a physical joystick with trim controls and somehow ignore them and instead using a cumbersome mouse control to locate and move trim on a 3d picture of a joystick! So including switches of this kind is just a waste of precious frame rates. There is a trim gauge, however, which tells you how much up or down trim you have assigned. 

 

I'm not sure but I think I have already answered your query via email. Apologies if it wasn't you.

There is absolutely no point in designing mouse controllable trim switches into a 3d virtual simulated joystick. NO-ONE ever uses these switches in a sim for trim control. EVERYONE assigns trim to two buttons or keys (up and down) on their physical keypad or joystick, or assigns them to a lever. The reason is very obvious. It is completely pointless to have a physical joystick with trim controls and somehow ignore them and instead using a cumbersome mouse control to locate and move trim on a 3d picture of a joystick! So including switches of this kind is just a waste of precious frame rates. There is a trim gauge, however, which tells you how much up or down trim you have assigned. 

 

I'm not sure but I think I have already answered your query via email. Apologies if it wasn't you.

Hi Rob,

yes, it was me, but you misunderstood my question.

What I wanted to know is where are these buttons in the real world aircraft.

Thanks anyhow,

Fritz

There is absolutely no point in designing mouse controllable trim switches into a 3d virtual simulated joystick. NO-ONE ever uses these switches in a sim for trim control. EVERYONE assigns trim to two buttons or keys (up and down) on their physical keypad or joystick, or assigns them to a lever. The reason is very obvious. It is completely pointless to have a physical joystick with trim controls and somehow ignore them and instead using a cumbersome mouse control to locate and move trim on a 3d picture of a joystick! So including switches of this kind is just a waste of precious frame rates. There is a trim gauge, however, which tells you how much up or down trim you have assigned. 

 

I'm not sure but I think I have already answered your query via email. Apologies if it wasn't you.

It's funny, really, or odd, but you are right (although I can't speak for everyone, of course). I am a real VC user, meaning that I like to do everything by clicking and dragging in the VC. RPM, mixture, parking brake, lights, autopilot, fuel, gear, well, you name and I will use the VC to do it because it feels more real to me. Using my joystick buttons for that feels wrong. But... not the throttle and trim indeed! Not even in addon planes that offer that possibility. I guess it simply has to do with the far better and precise control you get with hardware. Trim, just as throttle, requires a lot of little changes. Using switches in the VC just doesn't cut it. I wonder if anyone uses the VC for trim indeed.

I like the Trim on GoFlights LGT-II ... you can set the trim gain which is essentially a multiplier to the trim wheel values.  This lets me dial in the trim specific to any aircraft as some aircraft are very sensitive to trim so I set a "low" gain value in GoFlight LGT-II, for those aircraft that are much less sensitive to trim, I set a "high" gain value.

 

Prior to that I "was" using trim switches on the Yoke and/or Saitek's trim wheel ... unfortunately Saitek seem to be MIA these days and their Win10 drivers support is lacking ... Saitek's trim wheel was causing pauses in P3D under Win10 so I removed it.

 

I just installed my Yoko Yoke today and two quick test flights in the Legacy and the T-6 ... huge difference, I have NO excuses now for bad landings.

 

Cheers Rob.

 

EDIT: I can't stand messing around in the VC moving switches, levers, with a mouse - huge distraction ... map everything to my GoFlight gear and thankfully RealAir folks along with GIT made that task VERY easy.

Interesting. Since simming is my main and only hobby nowadays I maybe should have a look at that GoFlights gear...