I've got one very little minor issue or annoyance with the awesome Legacy: the panel lights have a too big influence on certain parts of the VC. Everytime I turn on the panel lights I notice this and it sort of annoys me (sorry) because it makes it look wrong. This can be seen for instance when you look at the black border around the ELEV TRIM: with the lights on it looks as if too much white is being blended with the black, making the border look too light grey and a bit fake compared to the full black next to it (the AoT indicator). The same effect can be seen around all switches at the bottom (Alternator up to the Flaps indicator). The effect seems quite overdone there. Specially compared to the surrounding gauges (turn coordinator, etc.)

 

Am I the only one who is seeing this? I would love to get this fixed because as I said, it makes the VC look a bit bad and fake... Again, nothing too important but still. :wink:

 

Are you running HDR? If so try turning it down. You can also dim the panel lighting, infinitely.

Are you running HDR? If so try turning it down. You can also dim the panel lighting, infinitely.

 

Ah, yes, I do use HDR. I do use quite low settings already but I will have a look at it. And I know I can dim the panel lighting but infinitely...? Like in 'turn it off'...? If I turn it off things get to dark: there is a reason why you advice to keep the panel lighting on all the time. But it does give that greyish effect too all the time. Anyway, I will see if changing HDR some more will change things although I don't really like to change HDR, which makes everything look great on mu PC, just for those borders.

 

While I am at it: today the breathing sound got stuck. I approached 12000 feet, turned on the oxygen (being warned by that breathing sound), but kept on hearing the breathing and I kept on hearing it even when I parked my plane and set everything cold and dark. :wink: Anything I could have done to stop that sound? I obviously turned the oxygen on and off a few times but that didn't help.

HDR really sucks sorry...  it wrecks the colors by oversaturating the color contrast... even with the adjustable sliders.  It's like those new flatscreen TV's...   people just love those vibrant colors some of the models present - it's too vibrant though - it's oversaturated fake.

 

To make matters worse P3D 3 saturated the colors even more compared to FSX and older P3D versions.,

HDR really sucks sorry...  it wrecks the colors by oversaturating the color contrast... even with the adjustable sliders.  It's like those new flatscreen TV's...   people just love those vibrant colors some of the models present - it's too vibrant though - it's oversaturated fake.

 

To make matters worse P3D 3 saturated the colors even more compared to FSX and older P3D versions.,

 

No need to apologize for your personal preference! :wink: I've always used HDR with P3D: maybe I should give no HDR at all a try (for a while, not just for a minute, because that won't give me a good idea of it all).

 

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Well, that's odd. I gave no HDR a quick try and immediately noticed the OPPOSITE of what you said, Ryan! Without HDR the sky is a very hard cartoonish blue and the nose of my plane very bright red. With HDR the sky is a softer realistic blue and the nose of my plane a more toned down red...! So on my PC no HDR gives "those vibrant colors"! Must be my monitor settings...? But then I still can't understand how the settings result in the opposite.

 

And btw it makes no difference to my previously mentioned problem with the panel light making certain blacks too light: even with no HDR those blacks look too 'whitened'.

That's odd indeed

You're saying in shade the overall panel is too dark but too bright in sunlight?

 

Anyway looking at the elevator trim panel in shade with no panel lights vs panel lights (HDR off) - I don't see an issue - is this what you mean?

 

 

 

 

Otherwise HDR on NO panel lights:

 

 

HDR on with panel lighting (yuck - oversaturated)

 

One more - bright sunlight (shadows enabled) with HDR on but no panel lights - basically HDR blows the highlights (makes things too white) - that blue sky with HDR off is what I see everyday (when the weather isn't crap) where I live - the deep blues.  With HDR on you're almost looking at a white sky when you glance up from a dark cockpit.  Maybe more accurate in a large city with smog hehe.  Anyway as you can see with HDR enabled (especially in shade) it makes the transition on the elevator trim look really rough with or w/o panel lighting.  Looks a lot better without HDR.

 

HDR here isn't so bad because of the sunlight on the panel

Ah, yes, I do use HDR. I do use quite low settings already but I will have a look at it. And I know I can dim the panel lighting but infinitely...? Like in 'turn it off'...? If I turn it off things get to dark: there is a reason why you advice to keep the panel lighting on all the time. But it does give that greyish effect too all the time. Anyway, I will see if changing HDR some more will change things although I don't really like to change HDR, which makes everything look great on mu PC, just for those borders.

 

While I am at it: today the breathing sound got stuck. I approached 12000 feet, turned on the oxygen (being warned by that breathing sound), but kept on hearing the breathing and I kept on hearing it even when I parked my plane and set everything cold and dark. :wink: Anything I could have done to stop that sound? I obviously turned the oxygen on and off a few times but that didn't help.

 

HDR can absolutely ruin gauges with its hideous wash of bloom and leaked light all over the place! I can see that it can have some benefit on scenery and sky, used in moderation. But unless LM can find a way to make it discreet and differ in its effect between internal models and the outside, it is something we have absolutely no control over. If you turn it off you will see the gauges and surrounds exhibit none of the things you complain of.

 

Regarding the breathing, it can occasionally get stuck, which can be solved by a quick reload (see manual) but usually the breathing will stop if you switch on 02 or descend. However if you are higher up and the hypoxia gets to the point of no return only a reload will clear it.

Thanks for the pics, Ryan. The 3rd and 4th clearly show what I am seeing: on the 3rd the black around the trim indicator is really black compared to the border around the AoT indicator: on the 4th picture the AoT border has hardly changed but the border around the trim indicator is totally different. I see that exact same effect around the lower switches.

Anyway, I also see the differences on the AoT: the black lines between the colors are rather washed out with HDR on. I btw think my understanding of the English word 'oversaturated' is wrong. I thought it had to do with the colors being too bright...? I have to add that I do like the brighter colors I get without HDR (though the sky looks way too blue but maybe I simply have to get used to it). I also have to add that HDR gives me problems in the A2A Comanche: whenever I look down at the panel and up again, everything stays too light: I always have to look sideways out side of the window to 'reset' the colors. Yes, maybe it's time to fly without HDR for a while indeed...

And thanks for the reply, Robert. The next time the breathing gets stuck I will try your tips!

 

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Had another look after removing the shaders this time and the effect I am seeing is a lot less noticable without HDR indeed. It is there but not as obvious as with HDR. Another advantage of no HDR I just discovered: a clouded day looks more like a clouded day LOL This might be a keeper (no HDR that is, the Legacy already was a keeper. :wink: )

The looking up from a dark panel to outside is the time it takes for the bloom to go away - wasn't there a slider for this? If not I remember messing around with a delta or time value in the shader config - at least with P3D v2

 

If you really want to know why I think HDR sucks try a glass cockpit aircraft - the Carenado stuff is just gross - the G1000 based planes ugh

 

You can do some manipulation yes I agree with the sliders but all in all its just not great imo.

 

The our eyes so this stuff so smoothly and much more quickly than the software is trying to recreate it .

 

 

The looking up from a dark panel to outside is the time it takes for the bloom to go away - wasn't there a slider for this?

 

Well, there is a slider for the amount of bloom, not for the transition time. You can edit that maybe somehow but the problem isn't (wasn't) the transition time but the bloom itself that stayed 'active'.

 

BTW As said without HDR the red of my plane's nose is a lot nicer (not so bleeched out) and for instance the gear indicator lights look like lights now: with HDR they didn't shine as much compared to the white of the VC (I fly the SMO livery). I am discovering more and more advantages of no HDR so thanks! :wink:

Well, there is a slider for the amount of bloom, not for the transition time. You can edit that maybe somehow but the problem isn't (wasn't) the transition time but the bloom itself that stayed 'active'.

 

BTW As said without HDR the red of my plane's nose is a lot nicer (not so bleeched out) and for instance the gear indicator lights look like lights now: with HDR they didn't shine as much compared to the white of the VC (I fly the SMO livery). I am discovering more and more advantages of no HDR so thanks! :wink:

 

Artificial Bloom has never been connected with the real world. This is a personal view but HDR and extreme bloom is a post-modern fantasy world that doesn't exist. The human eye/brain is very clever at sorting out contrast and highlights compared with bloom which is just a sticky plaster designed to create bling. It is over contrasted, false, artificial and does not in any way compensate for the inherent inability of computer graphics to show the real world. A few adjustments of contrast, brightness and gamma is probably more close to what people are looking for. But you are never going to get very close to real world light. HDR is a very coarse, un-subtle answer to monitor limitations. It might look seductive at first glance but becomes very unconvincing after a while.

 

I do wish you tube sim uploaders would stop using it so much.

I tuned off my HDR many months ago and have never looked back, everything on my sim looks so much better without it.  :wink:

I actually wish the darkest day (so in overcast conditions in shadow), the brightness level was a bit higher...  I think P3D is slightly too dark in this case.  Sunny day shade is fine.

I don't understand why anyone would have HDR switched ON. It looks totally unrealistic IMO and can kill FPS on some systems.

I don't understand why anyone would have HDR switched ON. It looks totally unrealistic IMO and can kill FPS on some systems.

 

I personally think HDR looks terrible, and switched it off almost immediately. 

Ok, ok, ok, I got it, I've been stupid!