A good site for Overclocking,  some good tips and info in there.  You have to bit somewhat computer savvy to do it, as it could cause you more problems then its worth 

 

http://www.overclock.net/

 

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/

yeah i understand your point i will read and learn before i actually start with the process thanks for the info though

my sys specs are

 

intel skylake i5 6400 quad core 2.70ghz (overclock-able)

 

1. Overclock your cpu. My i3770k is @4.6ghz. 2.7ghz is too low.

 

Exaclty

 

Ehm, guys, did you read the specifications Ahmad Kal has written down? An Intel i5 6400 processor is NON-OVERCLOCKABLE. At least not the classic way, only by BCLK (which Intel is currently blocking more and more). Meaning: all you can possibly get is going from 100MHz BCLK to 105MHz BCLK, which would result in 3465MHz instead of his current 3300MHz. Nothing to be bothered about, those 165MHz will not change anything... Besides that, I bet a million that this processor sits on a H170 mainboard, rendering even BCLK overclocking impossible...

Ehm, guys, did you read the specifications Ahmad Kal has written down? An Intel i5 6400 processor is NON-OVERCLOCKABLE. At least not the classic way, only by BCLK (which Intel is currently blocking more and more). Meaning: all you can possibly get is going from 100MHz BCLK to 105MHz BCLK, which would result in 3465MHz instead of his current 3300MHz. Nothing to be bothered about, those 165MHz will not change anything... Besides that, I bet a million that this processor sits on a H170 mainboard, rendering even BCLK overclocking impossible...

 

We are not hardware geeks, we only yell overcloooock! 

 

cheers

Ehm, guys, did you read the specifications Ahmad Kal has written down? An Intel i5 6400 processor is NON-OVERCLOCKABLE. At least not the classic way, only by BCLK (which Intel is currently blocking more and more). Meaning: all you can possibly get is going from 100MHz BCLK to 105MHz BCLK, which would result in 3465MHz instead of his current 3300MHz. Nothing to be bothered about, those 165MHz will not change anything... Besides that, I bet a million that this processor sits on a H170 mainboard, rendering even BCLK overclocking impossible...

i know its not a K series but it can be overclocked with no problem on supported motherboards, which i have the Asus Z170-P Intel Z170 DDR4 ATX Motherboard so nah brah it can be overcloced to as 4.Xghz

http://overclocking.guide/download/asus-z170-p-non-k-oc-bios/

http://overclocking.guide/overclocking-non-k-intel-skylake-cpus-performance-tests/ <<(My i5-6400 turned out to be great and I could even run 4725 MHz on 1.375 Volt which equals an incredible overclocking of 75 %.)

Yes, with a modded BIOS it works. But this is honestly something I would NEVER do. But Intel already started to block this, as I mentioned: http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/asrock-bios-update-disables-non-k-skylake-overclocking-2/

 

You can now argue for sure that you anyway do not want to update your BIOS anymore after you installed the modded one, but honestly, like that you will end up with a computer completely off limits and not properly supported by anyone. In case you run into troubles, finding the error will be cumbersome. Furthermore, the modded BIOS will let you run into troubles where you not even might think of now, in the provided links they even talk about using a Intel Firmware Version which is not the current release...

 

Overclocking your non-K processor using a modded BIOS is FAR AWAY from anything Intel supports, although it seems not to hurt anything, you will never know. Besides that, the fact that obviously you can not read out the core temperature anymore would be another no go in my eyes, as you might simply run into heat related troubles without even knowing it.

 

So, no, I certainly do not recommend doing non-K CPU overclocking using modded BIOS and BCLK, if you are not even sure about overclocking at all. Yes, it might be a valuable option of overclocking cheap processors and saving some money, but if you kill something, the costs will quickly increase beyond the higher price for a proper K-processor. Furthermore, each and every CPU is different, if one user is capable of running his 6400 at 4.725GHz, it has absolutely nothing to do with your 6400, you might reach similar values, you might not. And how do you know if the core temperature value is not functional anymore? And how do you set up your core voltages if you do not have a clue if your CPU supports this or not?

 

EDIT: a user comment from one of your links already illustrating what I am talking about. I cite:

 

"unfortunately your worry has to be true, I have seen people saying their AVX related computation suffered from performance hit if it is non-k overclocked, which I believe, as you mentioned, is due to the non-functional AVX feature. Meanwhile, people are also reporting a big drop in L1 cache performance from non-k overclocking, as much as 8 times slower than it wasn’t OC-ed. This may also affect some tasks relying heavily on cache (I am not sure about which)."

 

So, there are already some of the unwanted side effects because the modded BIOS has to disable certain things in regard to enable such tremendous high BCLK overclocking. Funny enough, that precisely this L1 cache performance is something really important for both FSX and P3D... One addition: you will also loose most of the Intel power saving functions, for example you CPU will then constantly run at 4.5GHz, never clocking down anymore. My "properly" overclocked 3770K for example runs at 1.6GHz in desktop mode and only runs at 4.5GHz if needed. And it shuttles on its own between those states, a BCLK overclocked processor loses this ability.

I was hesitating as well since PMDG planes were amongst my favourites (in FSX I used NGX, 777, JS4100 and B1900D). However, I am very happy with the replacements (Aerosoft A320, CS 777, Razbam Metroliner and Majestic Dash 8). The CS 777 is not quite as good as the PMDG, but still a very good plane, and they only asked me to pay 10% of the price that PMDG asks me to pay (again). And all these planes have the added benefit that they are much more gentle to my poor old GTX 660

 

The only payware aircraft I can use for P3D is the Dash 8, the 777 and NGX are trapped within FSX. I don't want replacements to try to fill the holes because I won't be satisfied, I guarantee. Gladly I can run both sims on my PC.. 

Yes, with a modded BIOS it works. But this is honestly something I would NEVER do. But Intel already started to block this, as I mentioned: http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/asrock-bios-update-disables-non-k-skylake-overclocking-2/

 

You can now argue for sure that you anyway do not want to update your BIOS anymore after you installed the modded one, but honestly, like that you will end up with a computer completely off limits and not properly supported by anyone. In case you run into troubles, finding the error will be cumbersome. Furthermore, the modded BIOS will let you run into troubles where you not even might think of now, in the provided links they even talk about using a Intel Firmware Version which is not the current release...

 

Overclocking your non-K processor using a modded BIOS is FAR AWAY from anything Intel supports, although it seems not to hurt anything, you will never know. Besides that, the fact that obviously you can not read out the core temperature anymore would be another no go in my eyes, as you might simply run into heat related troubles without even knowing it.

 

So, no, I certainly do not recommend doing non-K CPU overclocking using modded BIOS and BCLK, if you are not even sure about overclocking at all. Yes, it might be a valuable option of overclocking cheap processors and saving some money, but if you kill something, the costs will quickly increase beyond the higher price for a proper K-processor. Furthermore, each and every CPU is different, if one user is capable of running his 6400 at 4.725GHz, it has absolutely nothing to do with your 6400, you might reach similar values, you might not. And how do you know if the core temperature value is not functional anymore? And how do you set up your core voltages if you do not have a clue if your CPU supports this or not?

 

EDIT: a user comment from one of your links already illustrating what I am talking about. I cite:

 

"unfortunately your worry has to be true, I have seen people saying their AVX related computation suffered from performance hit if it is non-k overclocked, which I believe, as you mentioned, is due to the non-functional AVX feature. Meanwhile, people are also reporting a big drop in L1 cache performance from non-k overclocking, as much as 8 times slower than it wasn’t OC-ed. This may also affect some tasks relying heavily on cache (I am not sure about which)."

 

So, there are already some of the unwanted side effects because the modded BIOS has to disable certain things in regard to enable such tremendous high BCLK overclocking. Funny enough, that precisely this L1 cache performance is something really important for both FSX and P3D... One addition: you will also loose most of the Intel power saving functions, for example you CPU will then constantly run at 4.5GHz, never clocking down anymore. My "properly" overclocked 3770K for example runs at 1.6GHz in desktop mode and only runs at 4.5GHz if needed. And it shuttles on its own between those states, a BCLK overclocked processor loses this ability.

yeah there will be some down side to it. maybe ill update to a K series in the future , ill see what can be done.. my i5 6400 can run at 3.3ghz and of course almighty P3D or fsx will still need like 8.9ghz lol to be smooth enough...i mean i used to fly fsx with tweaked cfg on my old laptop integrated everything and it was smooth enough for a laptop with fps friendly addons and the ngx .

 

anyway i will re install p3d and dig more in it.

yeah i understand your point i will read and learn before i actually start with the process thanks for the info though

To compliment the websites on overclocking, don't overlook Youtube.  By researching websites and watching Youtube, I have built two computers and successfully overclocked them.  The key is to not rush yourself and take plenty of notes as you go along, especially in the overclock process.  I even took screenshots of things before I started mucking with the overclock, just in case I had to put it back together as things were before the overclock.

 

Good Luck.

By researching websites and watching Youtube, I have built two computers and successfully overclocked them.  The key is to not rush yourself and take plenty of notes as you go along, especially in the overclock process.

 

The problem here: with this non-K overclocking, you simply can not do this. First, you need a modified BIOS to start with. Already there, you most probably have no idea which things are changed in this BIOS compared to the official one and where and why they might harm your system or your CPU. Then, if you decide to risk installing such a software, you are already forced to turn off some settings in order to enable BCLK overclocking, again you can not decide anything. Then, the modded BIOS disables certain things important for a proper overclocking assessment, such as the core temp readout. How the heck you are going to know if your OC is stable and does not end up in excess heat, if you can not read out those values? Doing "proper" overclocking, you can monitor how your CPU behaves if you increase core voltage alone or clock speed alone or both together. This is not possible using such a modded BIOS. Then, if you might think that you got your non-K running at 4.5GHz and a certain voltage, it might happen that you get a bluescreen after 20 minutes into a game. And now? Do you use to much vcore? Temps are to high? You can simply not find out...

The problem here: with this non-K overclocking, you simply can not do this. First, you need a modified BIOS to start with. Already there, you most probably have no idea which things are changed in this BIOS compared to the official one and where and why they might harm your system or your CPU. Then, if you decide to risk installing such a software, you are already forced to turn off some settings in order to enable BCLK overclocking, again you can not decide anything. Then, the modded BIOS disables certain things important for a proper overclocking assessment, such as the core temp readout. How the heck you are going to know if your OC is stable and does not end up in excess heat, if you can not read out those values? Doing "proper" overclocking, you can monitor how your CPU behaves if you increase core voltage alone or clock speed alone or both together. This is not possible using such a modded BIOS. Then, if you might think that you got your non-K running at 4.5GHz and a certain voltage, it might happen that you get a bluescreen after 20 minutes into a game. And now? Do you use to much vcore? Temps are to high? You can simply not find out...

yes you are completely right with the modified bios, luckily enough i can overclock and play with the settings with out flashing a modified bios , my motherboard default bios dose support overclocking without flashing any modified bios.

Great thread !   Thanks

RMM

well a little update, re installed p3d clean install and updated to V3.1 re installed ngx performance is what i was looking and still didn't overclock and its barely going under 30fps and very smooth flying. ))

http://www.overclock.net/

 

Awesome site - my go to site for help when building my new dual loop system - its my avsim for my pc building questions

Well I actually noticed that 777 has a significantly lower hit on fps than in FSX. From 60fps to 40, in FSX 30fps max. I must first purchase NGX for P3D, but I bet it will be the same as for 777 for some positive reason.  :smile: