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I guess I will start this inevitable thread. On the other thread some mentioned not needing SGSS anymore and others stating they still needed it.

 

Installed v3.2 Client and Content.

 

I turned off NI putting it back to default settings and just set Nvidia Control panel slider to Quality. Left my settings in P3D the same with 4x MSAA TF at Ani 16x and FXAA off.

 

Did a few test flights. The AA is improved especially with Scenery and Addon Scenery. BUT AA on aircraft had all kinds of jaggy lines on wings and seams.

 

FPS was great but the caveat is that ASN was not running obviously.

 

Do we still need some SGSS setting or is there another setting to clean this bit of AA up?

 

 

 

 

 

My System:

i7-4790K 4.0 GHz

GIGABYTE Z97X-SLI ATX

EVGA Superclocked NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 2GB

256GB SSD for P3D

1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD

120GB Samsung 840 EVO Series SATA-III SSD

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Jason,

I was seeing the same results as you last night testing 3.2 when turning off SGSS altogether. I run native 1080p on a 42inch monitor so AA is very important in my case.

I decided to give DSR a try and I have never been happier with my setup!

If you go to the Nvidia control panel, under global settings, turn on DSR to 2.0x and default smoothness of 33%. Then launch P3D, and under the resolution setting you will now see a higher maximum resolution to select (being made available by DSR).

 

I left my P3D settings at 16xAF, 8xMSAA. 

 

My AA is as good or better than when using 4xSGSS and 4x(or 8x)MSAA, and most importantly, when flying in heavy clouds etc. where 4xSGSS would result in stutters/fps loss on my GTX780 6GB (and pretty much any other card) I now do not suffer from any loss in performance.

 

Give it a try!


 

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Do we still need some SGSS setting

 

My thoughts would be yes - thats what I am doing at the moment - but with the new performance of P3D doesnt really matter much - fps are the same

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...thought you guys would be on 4K by now, especially you Richard to take full advantage of your system...  

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...thought you guys would be on 4K by now, especially you Richard to take full advantage of your system...  

 

Not yet - trying to get my head above water after the cost of my pc - hopefully soon - I have my eye on a 4k Korean model thats more geared to pc gaming 

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...cool..  would save you a lot of hassle with AA SGSS NI and all that nonsense

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...cool..  would save you a lot of hassle with AA SGSS NI and all that nonsense

 

Thats great to know - cant wait

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Not yet - trying to get my head above water after the cost of my pc - hopefully soon - I have my eye on a 4k Korean model thats more geared to pc gaming

 

I ditched my 2 970gtx sli and grabbed an Asus strix 980ti oc, paired it with a 60htz Samsung 4k monitor, and 3.1 is so smooth locked at 30 fps, visuals are incredible, AA turned way down, and I'm not even on 3.2 yet. In short, 4k- winwinwinwin, do it as soon as you can, it's mind blowing.

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...just got my 980 TI zotac amp extreme,  that along with the 40" 4K TV/monitor ....   Wow!

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I ditched my 2 970gtx sli and grabbed an Asus strix 980ti oc, paired it with a 60htz Samsung 4k monitor, and 3.1 is so smooth locked at 30 fps, visuals are incredible, AA turned way down, and I'm not even on 3.2 yet. In short, 4k- winwinwinwin, do it as soon as you can, it's mind blowing.

 

Awesome now you got me thinking big time

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I will give DSR a try again. I tried it once with FSX and didn't like it. Yeah I can't afford a 4k right now either so will need to tweak it I guess. I'm really curious to see what the FPS in clouds/weather conditions will be. Previously my Aerosoft Airbus would fluctuate wildly on ground and thru clouds until getting above clouds.

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Awesome now you got me thinking big time

 

It was a no brainier, I found the 28 inch Samsung on Craigslist for 250, retail is 500. Majestic q400 locked at thirty on approach to flightbeam KIAD, even with global vector installed! I will never go back to 1080 or 1440!

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don't get less than 40"  .... I reckon 40-55 maybe even 60" depending how far away you sit etc....   leaning over to the side to read something like web pages or documents etc when you're not using the sim is a limiting factor   anyway   you'll wonder why you didn't do it earlier...   

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Be careful if you are thinking a large 4K display will fix your AA issues.  

 

I upgraded to a 50in 4K tv a few weeks ago.  I assumed that the higher 4K resolution would somewhat cure the jagged edges from planes/runway taxiway markings, light poles, etc. At least much more than the 37in LCDTV which I ran in DSR 2x.  Turns out I was wrong.   due to the increase in size of the display, jagged edges are even more pronounced thus requiring SGSAA in order to smooth things out again.  I sit about 3-3 1/2 feet away from the tv (which to me is similar to sitting in front of the panel of a real plane) and is also the reason why I see all of the shimmering lines.

 

Per Rob A's advice, I tried MSAA (both 4x and 8x) without SGSAA and jagged edges were too noticeable for my liking, performance was great however.  I am now trying 8x MSAA + 2x SGSAA (NI) which to me is not much different than 4x MSAA + 4x SGSAA (no go if you're like me and like dense clouds).  

 

it's all personal preference.  I get annoyed when I see shimmering and focus on it rather than the simulation which degrades my experience to a slight degree.  In the end I have to look at the big picture and be thankful for the P3D platform and the hardware that I have to make it perform.

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Be careful if you are thinking a large 4K display will fix your AA issues.  

 

Interesting - thats what I would be afraid of and thought the same as you - the perfect cure - hmmm

 

Interesting aa setting - I am going to try that for sure - thanks

 

I am looking at a 40" screen thats more than enough for me - may be better with the 40" compared to that large 50" you have

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....sorry to hear about the jagged edges etc your experiencing Brian with mine I have no NI or special settings set up... only the settings in P3Dv3....  FXAA-off  MSAA-4 Samples Text Filt-Anis0-4x Text Res-4096x4096 ...thats it and picture is great rock solid virtually no shimmering and no jaggys   except very thin poles or aerials in the far distance sometimes, depends which scenery, in the overall picture not noticeable unless you go looking for them, 

 

It's a Samsung TV but not an OLED or anything fancy it is a relatively cheap model but it set P3D on fire.....

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Tried the DSR x2.0 with smoothness at 33% and the higher res in P3D, but it felt a little too blurry almost. Going to play around with it some more tonight. I'm running on an ancient GTX670 oc'd to 1202Mhz though :|

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Increase the size while increasing the resolution wouldn't make any difference, the 4K (if we talk exclusively as a way to avoid to use the antialiasing) will make the edges 4X smoother than a 1080p monitor (because it's 4x the that resolution) but only if the monitor size remains the same (the math isn't an opinion). While, if you switch (in example) from a 24" 1080p monitor to an hypothetical 50" 4K monitor the picture on the second will be bigger but it will look identical (in terms of sharpness) to the first one.

A small 4K monitor will save you to use a good chunk of AA (if not to totally get rid of it), a bigger screen will make no difference (if not in size), and in terms of quality it will be even worse, because normally above 34" (ultrawide) monitors there's nothing, and you'll buy a TV, that can be as good as you want but it will remain a TV (it will still far away in terms of quality of any monitor out there.. including the low entry ones).

Whoever is saying: i had a 24" 1080p monitor, and now I have a 4k 50" TV and I don't need the AA anymore... I call it BS.

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Increase the size while increasing the resolution wouldn't make any difference, the 4K (if we talk exclusively as a way to avoid to use the antialiasing) will make the edges 4X smoother than a 1080p monitor (because it's 4x the that resolution) but only if the monitor size remains the same (the math isn't an opinion). While, if you switch (in example) from a 24" 1080p monitor to an hypothetical 50" 4K monitor the picture on the second will be bigger but it will look identical (in terms of sharpness) to the first one.

 

24" Monitor x 4 =   96"   does that mean equivalent resolution (4K) is same at that size ?     If so then 50" Monitor will still be nearly twice resolution ? With the advantage of all that extra real estate giving better immersion.... ?

 

...or do you just mutiply by 2x for increased real  estate ?

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24" Monitor x 4 =   96"   does that mean equivalent resolution (4K) is same at that size ?     If so then 50" Monitor will still be nearly twice resolution ? With the advantage of all that extra real estate giving better immersion.... ?

 

Nope, the inches are measured diagonally, so a 48" is four times the size of a 24": four 24" 1080p monitors, placed next to each other on two rows will form (for both size and resolution.. if we ignore the external frame) a 48" 4K screen.

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...ok .  I still find it vastly better than my 24"  even looking at it real close, it looks great. The immersion makes a huge difference and feel I should have gone for larger....

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I don't doubt about it... when you say: bigger is better. :)

I was just talking about the antialiasing improvement going to bigger resolutions... that is the same concept behind the super-sampling.

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thought you guys would be on 4K by now, especially you Richard to take full advantage of your system

 

I harass him frequently to get on the 4K 30Hz wagon ... he "almost" did once ... probably spends all his money on premium gas to keep his Vette happy. ;)

 

Cheers, Rob.

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I harass him frequently to get on the 4K 30Hz wagon ... he "almost" did once ... probably spends all his money on premium gas to keep his Vette happy. ;)

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

after getting the larger screen I realise just how important an upgrade it is, and not just for flightsim. Makes using the PC altogether better...

 

.... by the way, why do mention 30Hz , Rob.  I know your an expert on all things Flightsim and wondering if that has a special reason ...  I've got mine at 60Hz is there a downside to that ?

 

.....wouldn't mind a right hand drive 'vette though...

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e careful if you are thinking a large 4K display will fix your AA issues.

 

I upgraded to a 50in 4K tv a few weeks ago. I assumed that the higher 4K resolution would somewhat cure the jagged edges from planes/runway taxiway markings, light poles, etc. At least much more than the 37in LCDTV which I ran in DSR 2x. Turns out I was wrong. due to the increase in size of the display, jagged edges are even more pronounced thus requiring SGSAA in order to smooth things out again

My experience has been very different. I just purchased a Samsung 55' 4K TV and will never go back. Although the 4K display does not eliminate all shimmering and all jagged edges, it is a marked improvement - and probably the best thing you can do without a graphics card upgrade. The jagged edges are very subtle and NOT so noticeable (for me) because the image is much larger.

 

Also, going bigger (screen wise) is always better.    Some people will throw shedloads of money at everything flightsim related including the PC itself, but fly on 24-30' monitors.I don't get that.   It is a massive uplift in immersion.

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