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I have the Capt Sim 777 and love it but read somewhere that the PDGM 777 actually gets better frame rates. If you have both could post your findings?

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I thought someone here would have both versions, guess not.

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I have both, and in my experience the PMDG T7 does indeed get better frame rates. Not by a whole lot, maybe around 10 FPS max, but enough to be noticeable. 

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So the PMDG is the better simulation AND on top of that it performs better on the sim... No questions needed as to which is the one to get!

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Thanks, I love the Capt Sim 777 but it is a dog on my system. I get 40 plus in heavy clouds with the Aerosoft Airbus set but only 17 to 21 with the CS 777 in same situation.

 

PMDG is a bit expensive so I have to have a good reason and 10 frame rates more is a great reason.

 

Alpha Floor I like your videos and hope you make more.

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Thanks, I love the Capt Sim 777 but it is a dog on my system. I get 40 plus in heavy clouds with the Aerosoft Airbus set but only 17 to 21 with the CS 777 in same situation.

 

PMDG is a bit expensive so I have to have a good reason and 10 frame rates more is a great reason.

 

Alpha Floor I like your videos and hope you make more.

 

Thanks for the kind words Paul! That's the kind of input that keeps me doing more videos, really! They are not perfect by all means, but I believe I do more good than harm by releasing them :)

 

As to the price, well yes, the 777 is not cheap, but it's 100% worth the money. I like to regard the PMDG 777 as a simulation of the 777 on its own right, not as an "FSX addon". We can say that FSX is the add-on to be able to run the PMDG 777 and not the other way round. In fact, if you changed the product's User Agreement and turned it into a "professional" software sold for real world training, it would multiply its price by 100.

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I love the Capt Sim 777

Why specifically?

 

Do you have the 1.7 version? Does it actually work like it should?

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Latest version works for me. I really am an amatuer and not good at setting up FMC for autoland but the Capt Sim seems to be easy and even I can setup  a flight that autolands each time. The only thing is for some reason I cannot get the throttles to reverse on landing.

 

But,,,and it's a big one,,,it really trashes your frame rates and that is why I posted the question. I like the 777 but want a better version with better frame rates.

 

I really wanted to buy the 747 but as it is not even in beta yet I might not live that long so the 777 will fill in until.

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I think the PMDG 777 is a very good choice.... I would not hesitate one second.

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I own both the PMDG 777 and CS 777 for P3D.  Both work great and I see little to no difference in fps.  I do not see how anyone can tell the difference in frame rates for these aircraft as it all depends on your POV and system. I think the PMDG VC is a bit harder on FPS but that's I could never tell you how I feel that way.  If it is a nice and sunny day with no clouds out, the fps in the PMDG 777 are great.  If the weather outside is bad, the FPS in the PMDG 777 are bad.  If I do a side view, it gets better, if I look straight at the VC, FPS suffer but you can go into the settings and change the performance settings if they are not good. The FMC has always been difficult to program for many but both versions handle well when the FMC is in use.  The major difference between the developers is the price.  If I get a chance, I'll do a flight using the fsuipc log to measure the fps for a short flight for each aircraft. 

 

Best regards,

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Thanks Jim, looking forward to your results.

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CS777 is worse than PMDG's 777 in almost every aspect i can think of:

 

- Framerate / Smoothness;

- Memory utilization (lower with PMDG's model);

- Actual aircraft performance (Engines, Climb/Cruise/Descent, etc);

- Exterior model (dimensions, detail);

- Systems reliability (can you actually trust the simulation to behave as expected);

 

The only thing CS777 is 'better' at is the package offer. It offers all three engines (with the caveat performance is all wrong), cabin model (what for, really) and the price is lower.

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"- Actual aircraft performance (Engines, Climb/Cruise/Descent, etc);"

 

That is my #1 issue with the CS 777.  It's flight dynamics are terrible;  in my opinion, the aircraft doesn't handle like a heavy air frame.  Even at $10, I have put this aircraft into mothballs.  Concerning the FPS, I see little difference, as Jim articulated...

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Thanks Jim, looking forward to your results.

As I stated, the performance, FPS, VAS usage is all about the same (according to the FSUIPC.log):

 

The CS777 first -

 

 

33524 Running in "Lockheed Martin® Prepar3D® v3", Version: 3.2.3.2 (SimConnect: 3.2.0.0)

33524 Initialising SimConnect data requests now

33524 FSUIPC Menu entry added

33540 C:\Users\JimY\AppData\Local\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Prepar3D_Default.fxml

33540 K:\Prepar3D_v3\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS Raptor Driver\Raptor.air

34024 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3219108

43774 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3046116

53758 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3023820

63742 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2950148

73975 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3025356

83991 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3021616

94100 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3021536

104021 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2997656

114005 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2997640

118046 Weather Mode now = Theme

124114 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2997128

136516 K:\Prepar3D_v3\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_B777-300ER_GE\csx773_GE.air

138326 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2701404

146688 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2240104

156812 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1923436

168044 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1885304

177061 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1685604

182802 System time = 15/03/2016 09:21:21, Simulator time = 08:20:00 (14:20Z)

182802 Aircraft="CS 777-300ER GE Captain Paint1"

183987 Starting everything now ...

3038431 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1079984

3043642 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 2862 secs = 16.4 fps

3059944 === NOTE: not calling SimConnect_Close ...

3060942 System time = 15/03/2016 10:09:19, Simulator time = 09:14:44 (15:14Z)

3060942 *** FSUIPC log file being closed

Minimum frame rate was 7.3 fps, Maximum was 30.5 fps

Minimum available memory recorded was 1054Mb

Average frame rate for running time of 2862 secs = 16.4 fps

Memory managed: 1005 Allocs, 1005 Freed

********* FSUIPC Log file closed ***********

 

 

and now the PMDG777 -

 

 

32245 Running in "Lockheed Martin® Prepar3D® v3", Version: 3.2.3.2 (SimConnect: 3.2.0.0)

32245 Initialising SimConnect data requests now

32245 FSUIPC Menu entry added

32276 C:\Users\JimY\AppData\Local\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Prepar3D_Default.fxml

32276 K:\Prepar3D_v3\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS Raptor Driver\Raptor.air

32698 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3223012

42448 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3037924

52494 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3026476

62494 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3044156

68094 Weather Mode now = Theme

72603 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3019252

82587 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3020248

88203 K:\Prepar3D_v3\SimObjects\Airplanes\PMDG 777-300ER\B777-300ER.air

113709 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2439496

123272 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2207920

133381 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2026072

143427 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1920832

153286 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1573660

153583 System time = 15/03/2016 10:13:40, Simulator time = 08:19:19 (14:19Z)

153583 Aircraft="PMDG 777-300ER PMDG House"

158809 Starting everything now ...

2533784 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 993376

2542504 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 2389 secs = 16.2 fps

2557932 === NOTE: not calling SimConnect_Close ...

2558931 System time = 15/03/2016 10:53:45, Simulator time = 09:11:01 (15:11Z)

2558931 *** FSUIPC log file being closed

Minimum frame rate was 7.0 fps, Maximum was 30.7 fps

Minimum available memory recorded was 918Mb

Average frame rate for running time of 2389 secs = 16.2 fps

Memory managed: 858 Allocs, 858 Freed

********* FSUIPC Log file closed ***********

 

 

 

The CS777 was recently upgraded to v1.7 and I really enjoy the fact you can now request your flightplan in the FMC (like the PMDG) and request Performance data (like in the PMDG).  Makes programming the FMC's a bit easier. 

 

Now, what am I going to do with all of these 777's installed in P3D.... :smile:   Hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

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Thanks Jim. looks like a tie to me.

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Hi Paul,

 

Yes, agree.  I was worried I would have to eat my comments I made earlier in post #10.

 

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Found another thing I don't like about the CS version. Most of the vc lighting is not variable, just on and off. I am not sure but think the PDGM version has all variable vc lighting.

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Found another thing I don't like about the CS version. Most of the vc lighting is not variable, just on and off. I am not sure but think the PDGM version has all variable vc lighting.

It does. If you're on the fence, and the money isn't an issue, my final verdict after flying both is that you absolutely need to pick up the PMDG. It has that characteristic 'feel' to it that I love so much that makes you feel like you are flying a big, heavy machine. 

 

- Exterior model (dimensions, detail);

That's the one point where I disagree. The CS' systems are riddle with flaws, but their exterior modeler and texture-er is an absolute artist. Although the PMDG is of course of equally good quality, I find it just a tad too shiny, and the wings don't look as good as the CS to my eye. This obviously does not outweigh the massive flaws the aircraft has, nor does it mean the PMDG exterior is bad at all. 

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The CS777 was recently upgraded to v1.7 and I really enjoy the fact you can now request your flightplan in the FMC (like the PMDG) and request Performance data (like in the PMDG).  Makes programming the FMC's a bit easier. 

 

Hi Jim

I have recently updated my CS777 to 1.7 but haven't had chance to check it out yet. So what is the best/easiest method to request the flightplan in the FMC now?

 

cheers

Ian

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You asked all this before here and in the 777 forum. The PMDG version is better like before it's as simple as that

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Hi Jim

I have recently updated my CS777 to 1.7 but haven't had chance to check it out yet. So what is the best/easiest method to request the flightplan in the FMC now?

 

cheers

Ian

You go to the Route page and hit the Request button.  There will be no saved flight plans as you haven't saved any yet but there will be an option for FSFltPlns.  I have several flight plans I have created for FSX and copied them over to the P3D Flight Plan folder (My Documents\Prepard3D v3 Files) so I was able to load a flight plan of choice.  If you have no Flight Plans in your P3D folder, then you will have to create a flight from scratch and enter the departing and arrival airports, then, what I do is go to the Dep/Arr Page and select a SID for departure and enter the R/W I will be departing.  Then I will click on the Dep/Arr Page and go to the Arr Page (you have to click on Index to get to the Arr Page as the default is the Dep Page).  I then enter the STAR and R/W I'll be landing at.  I then activate this route and then look at the Legs Page and make sure there are no discontinuities (there will be at least one discontinuity in the flight plan, including a Vector which I get rid of).  Once the flight plan is completed then I go to the Perf page and hit the Request button and it will fill in all of the entries except the reserve tank and I usually put a 5 in there.  I'll look at what they recommend for flight level as I like to go no higher than FL240 and "Operations" usually wants me to go higher (when you hit the Request button, the info is being electronically transmitted from your airline headquarters).  I then go to the last page and set my flaps to 15 and then click next to each speed recommended for takeoff.  I then go to the Legs page so I can monitor the flight.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

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You go to the Route page and hit the Request button.  There will be no saved flight plans as you haven't saved any yet but there will be an option for FSFltPlns.  I have several flight plans I have created for FSX and copied them over to the P3D Flight Plan folder (My Documents\Prepard3D v3 Files) so I was able to load a flight plan of choice.  If you have no Flight Plans in your P3D folder, then you will have to create a flight from scratch and enter the departing and arrival airports, then, what I do is go to the Dep/Arr Page and select a SID for departure and enter the R/W I will be departing.  Then I will click on the Dep/Arr Page and go to the Arr Page (you have to click on Index to get to the Arr Page as the default is the Dep Page).  I then enter the STAR and R/W I'll be landing at.  I then activate this route and then look at the Legs Page and make sure there are no discontinuities (there will be at least one discontinuity in the flight plan, including a Vector which I get rid of).  Once the flight plan is completed then I go to the Perf page and hit the Request button and it will fill in all of the entries except the reserve tank and I usually put a 5 in there.  I'll look at what they recommend for flight level as I like to go no higher than FL240 and "Operations" usually wants me to go higher (when you hit the Request button, the info is being electronically transmitted from your airline headquarters).  I then go to the last page and set my flaps to 15 and then click next to each speed recommended for takeoff.  I then go to the Legs page so I can monitor the flight.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

Hi Jim

 

Thanks very much for the detailed response, much appreciated. 

 

Cheers

Ian

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This is just my honest opinion. CS makes unfinished and buggy low entry level planes. If you want a quality 777 in every way possible then you don't need to look any further then PMDG.

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I totally agree Pete but some members do not want to spend a lot of money on an aircraft and the CS version is a good alternative.  I'm happy to hear you like the PMDG version.

 

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It does. If you're on the fence, and the money isn't an issue, my final verdict after flying both is that you absolutely need to pick up the PMDG. It has that characteristic 'feel' to it that I love so much that makes you feel like you are flying a big, heavy machine. 

 

That's the one point where I disagree. The CS' systems are riddle with flaws, but their exterior modeler and texture-er is an absolute artist. Although the PMDG is of course of equally good quality, I find it just a tad too shiny, and the wings don't look as good as the CS to my eye. This obviously does not outweigh the massive flaws the aircraft has, nor does it mean the PMDG exterior is bad at all. 

 

So yes or no or.....

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