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I love clouds. I've used them in real life, or rather the thermals that make them, to keep my glider up. And on FSX don't they look just like the real thing. But, my clouds get between the spot plane and the helicopter I'm flying. That's a serious nuisance when I'm reviewing a recorded flight and keep losing sight of the heli because one of FSX's lovely cumulus has wandered between me in the spotplane and the heli I'm trying to watch. Shouldn't the clouds stay behind the helicopter? How can I put things right?

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Hi BDL,

I'm not certain that I understand your post but if a cloud that should appear behind the helo in the simulation appears in front of it that would indicate a priority problem.  If the problem is with all of the default aircraft that would indicate a scenery problem; if only certain aircraft, a problem with the aircraft.

Jim F.

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How about the fact that sometimes a cloud just blocks your view because that's where it is? I must be missing your point entirely. Clouds happen and if they happen in front of you, they will block your view.

 

 

Vic

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Hi Vic,

I wasn't sure I understood his post but when he referred to his view from the spot plane I was assuming he meant spot view.  I don't ever recall seeing clouds ever obscuring an aircraft in spot view.  I tried to make it as clear as possible that this was just a consideration and provide help in identifying where the fault lay if this was the case.

Jim F..

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Sems he is flying a plane that he is using to follow a helo, when reality steps in, a cloud gets between his plane and the helo. Isnt FSX as  real as it gets. Simple issue, set weather to clear no clouds.

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Sems he is flying a plane that he is using to follow a helo, when reality steps in, a cloud gets between his plane and the helo. Isnt FSX as  real as it gets. Simple issue, set weather to clear no clouds.

That was going to be what I wanted to tell him except for his first sentence.  I LOVE CLOUDS!  Well then?

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Blimey, what a turn out. First thanks to all who replied. No my post wasn't a wind up. Second, I can't have described the problem clearly enough so let me try again.

 

I'm training in a Schweizer 300CBi. I use FSX to practice between real flights with Just Flight's 300CBi sim (which, by the way, is very good). I usually record each sim flight so that I can replay what happened and see signs of improvement or areas where further work is needed. My replays are generally done from an outside-the-cockpit view directly behind the 300CBi that I flew - this is what I referred to as the spotplane. While I'm watching a replay I will be about 25m behind the helicopter. If I raise my vewing position in "the spotplane" well above the helicopter I will see lots of fair weather Cu far off in the distance, maybe 2km away. If I then lower the "spotplane" view level with the CBi I'm watching (which is where I normally watch from), the clouds that were 2km away now appear between me in the "spotplane" and the 300CBi.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Brian

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Hi Brian,

Your latest clarification seems in exact accordance with my understanding of your initial post.  It sounds like a scenery priority problem.  If the helo is an addon I suggest seeing if the problem is present with one of the default helicopters.

Unfortunately, if the problem is with the default there's no easy fix.  If the problem is unique to the addon  I suggest contacting the developer.  Some legal crap here; it seems that fixing the problem would require some reverse engineering and unless you did it yourself the info on how to correct it couldn't be shared.  I am assuming you only have the default weather.  I'm confused by the third sentence in your initial post.  My guess is that it was a rhetorical question to which you neglected to add the question mark.

Jim F.

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Thanks Jim. Glad things seem clearer now. Yes, my third sentence didn't have a question mark, it was really a statement as I think you guessed. Looking back I could have phrased the post more succinctly and saved you lot some trouble. Sorry. I did wonder if the solution might be to rearrange priorities in FSX Settings but when I couldn't find clouds or 300CBi in the list I thought best seek advice. I did wonder whether lifting the "propeller" stuff to the top might do the job but not being an expert I didn't dare. I've got another (expensive) flight in just over a week and I don't want to mess up FSX at this stage when I would rather continue practising on the sim despite the odd awkward cloud. I'll look into your idea about how widespread this is with other aircraft. The clouds in question are FSX defaults rather than add ons. Thanks again.

Brian

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The weather selected in FSX is default. I tried a flight using a default FSX aircraft and the clouds stay well behind the aircraft, where they are during the flight that was recorderd. So from Jim's last post it would appear that the problem is with the addon, Just Flight's Schweizer 300CBi. So it looks as though I'll have to turn to them as Jim suggested.

 

Just a thought though, couldn't I just put "propellors" at the top of the list in the FSX Scenery Library? Wouldn't that place the 300CBi's rotors in front of all clouds in any view?

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Hi Brian,

It's my understanding that the priority of entries in the scenery library is only used to determine which scenery takes precedence in any particular area.  What the Propellers section is doing in there, with its references to Cessna 182s and Sopwiths, seems odd.  The only thing that makes any sense to me is if there was an aircraft used as a scenery object you wouldn't want its prop to be displayed incorrectly with regard to the other scenery objects.  I don't think it's very difficult for the developer to make the changes. 

Jim F.

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Hi,

Just out of curiosity I looked at the Just Flight website and came across this on the Flying Club Schweizer 300CBi page:

 

Note: All the aircraft in the Flying Club range have now been fully updated to the latest Flight Simulator X SP2 and DX10 preview specifications. Existing ownsers can get details of how to update their aircraft from the Support section on this website.

 

It seems likely that this will correct the problem.

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Hi,

Just out of curiosity I looked at the Just Flight website and came across this on the Flying Club Schweizer 300CBi page:

 

Note: All the aircraft in the Flying Club range have now been fully updated to the latest Flight Simulator X SP2 and DX10 preview specifications. Existing ownsers can get details of how to update their aircraft from the Support section on this website.[/size]

 

It seems likely that this will correct the problem.[/size]

Right, I'll be looking there and report back. Thanks jandjfrench for the guidance. And thanks Jim for your last post that I was intending to follow up when I get back to the sim.

 

Brian

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Just a quick word. I'm not losing interest and thanks for all the responses. I won't be able to attempt a solution until after Thurs 18/8. I'll be able to continue with this on Frid 19th and will report anything of interest.

Brian

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Back in action. I looked at jandjfrench's approach. Went through Just Flight's advice on upgrading the 300CBi, inc uninstalling all the 300CBi software and then reinstalling from the original DVD. Downloaded their upgrade and saved it. Tried to reinstall the DVD 300CBi but the process dindn't complete and I never got the Finish option. After looking for signs of the reinstalled 300CBi there were none in FSX, Wndows File Explorer or in Windows 10 Start-All Apps. So I've lost the 300CBi.

 

I've put all this into Just Flight's support and I'm hoping for the best. In the meantime and just in case, does anyone in the forum have any ideas?

 

Brian

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Still no solution but decided to follow your advice and sent Just Flight the following

 

"... Some problems on FSX flying the 300CBi:

MAP never goes higher than 21"

RPM always at top end of green sector

When playing a FS Recorder saved recording, from Spot View, clouds in the distance appear between me and recorded 300CBi's rotors instead of beyond the 300CBi.

Hoping to solve things I have installed FSX SP2 and Just Flight's 300CBi update, having first uninstalled and then reinstalled the 300CBi from the DVD that I bought.

At this stage I found that the 300CBi software had not being reinstalled from the DVD and I can't find any reference to the 300CBi on FSX, Windows File Explorer or Windows|All Applications. I do not seem able to reinstall the DVD version of the (lovely) 300CBi."

 

They very quickly replied as follows ...

 

" ... Microsoft in their infinite wisdom have decided to block certain types of DRM in Windows 10

 

This has caused a large number of older games to stop working and blocked the use of certain types of protected disks

 

None of our disk product will install in Windows 10

 

Many people who upgraded for free have already rolled back to their previous Windows because of this and other problems. Those who have a new machine with Windows 10 already installed don't have this option

 

You should complain to Microsoft. If enough people do then maybe they will change their mind about this issue.

 

You should also note that some people are finding FSX itself has strange problems in Windows 10. it seems it may not be fully compatible on some systems.

 

There is a possible workaround that will allow safedisc disks to work on some Windows 10 systems.

For it to work you must have a system that doesn't have SecureBoot enabled or that will let you disable the SecureBoot feature in the BIOS

 

The zip below contains tools and instructions for setting up your system temporarily to allow Safedisc discs to be successfully validated. Although it describes the actions for a particular product (VFR Photoscenery) the same method applies to any safedisc disk

 

Download

 

This is definitely "at your own risk" and should only be tried if you are comfortable working with the commandline interface on your system."

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I took your advice and contacted the supplier, Just Flight, with this

 

" ... Title: Flying Club Schweizer 300CBi

 

System specs:

Operating System: Windows 10 Home

Flight Sim: Flight Simulator X (SP2)

Format: Boxed (Purchased from JF)

 

Comments:

Some problems on FSX flying the 300CBi:

MAP never goes higher than 21"

RPM always at top end of green sector

When playing a FS Recorder saved recording, from Spot View, clouds in the distance appear between me and recorded 300CBi's rotors instead of beyond the 300CBi.

Hoping to solve things I have installed FSX SP2 and Just Flight's 300CBi update, having first uninstalled and then reinstalled the 300CBi from the DVD that I bought.

At this stage I found that the 300CBi software had not been reinstalled from the DVD and I can't find any reference to the 300CBi on FSX, Windows File Explorer or Windows|All Applications. I do not seem able to reinstall the DVD version of the (lovely) 300CBi."

 

Very quickly they replied as follows

 

" ... Microsoft in their infinite wisdom have decided to block certain types of DRM in Windows 10

 

This has caused a large number of older games to stop working and blocked the use of certain types of protected disks

 

None of our disk product will install in Windows 10

 

Many people who upgraded for free have already rolled back to their previous Windows because of this and other problems. Those who have a new machine with Windows 10 already installed don't have this option

 

You should complain to Microsoft. If enough people do then maybe they will change their mind about this issue.

 

You should also note that some people are finding FSX itself has strange problems in Windows 10. it seems it may not be fully compatible on some systems.

 

There is a possible workaround that will allow safedisc disks to work on some Windows 10 systems.

For it to work you must have a system that doesn't have SecureBoot enabled or that will let you disable the SecureBoot feature in the BIOS

 

The zip below contains tools and instructions for setting up your system temporarily to allow Safedisc discs to be successfully validated. Although it describes the actions for a particular product (VFR Photoscenery) the same method applies to any safedisc disk

 

Download

 

This is definitely "at your own risk" and should only be tried if you are comfortable working with the commandline interface on your system."

 

I thought I'd let you know before I try anything else. Just to say at this point I'm not devastated. I've got FSX and the 300CBi on the PC that I fly on and was just trying things out on the (very capable) notebook. So I can still practise real flights before going to the airfield. But it would nice to sort out the problems.

 

I'll see if Microsoft can help and let you know what happens. If you have any ideas please tell me.

 

Brian

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Hi Brian,

It occurred to me that the 300CBi is included in the Just Flight Flying Club Collection which I have.  I recently re-installed FSX but not the Collection.  I installed it and checked for problems with the 300CBi but all looks well.  Upon beginning the install I saw a reference to "Macrovision" which most likely indicates some type of copy protection but I could try to zip up the aircraft and send it to you.

I'm not 100% sure that just viewing the heli in spot view and seeing problems with the clouds was the problem you were having so if not let me know and I'll try to duplicate what you were seeing.

Jim F.

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Hi JimF,

 

Thanks for your response. The "clouds" issue was the subject of my original post. I thought there might be an obvious, simple solution that I was missing but that's clearly not so. And I'm quite happy to live with things as they are - I can still fly the 300CBi on my PC and rehearse flights when required before going to Beccles to fly the real thing.

 

As I said in my last post I contacted Just Flight in case they know the answer. Along with my question to them were some other (more) important issues. To summarise:

 

MAP never goes higher than 21"

RPM always at top end of green sector

When playing a FS Recorder saved recording, from Spot View, clouds in the distance appear between me and recorded 300CBi's rotors instead of beyond the 300CBi.

 

Also I pointed out to Just Flight that having taken their advice to unininstall and reinstall the JF 300CBi before running their service pack I am now unable to reinstall the 300CBi on my Windows 10 notebook. Just Flight's response, which I posted, explains why I can't reinstall from their DVD but it doesn't address tha MAP or RPM issues.

 

Thank heavens the 300CBi still works on the Windows 10 PC. I use it most days. At the moment I'm touring all the WW2 airfields in East Angla, even those not included in FSX's airfields.

 

Brian

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Hi Brian,

I try to stay on track as it seems many threads aren't exactly hijacked but seem to go off on tangents.  As I know very little about helicopters or how closely they're emulated in FSX I'm afraid I can't be of much help with that.  I did check a bit and noticed that there seems to be some governor affecting the rpm.  By changing what is normally my prop pitch I could get the rpm in the middle of the green.  The manifold pressure was far from stable and jumped around what seemed to be an excessive amount.  I don't have my fps displayed but this aircraft seems to take a real hit on a smooth display.  I strongly suspect that there is a correlation between the visual performance hit and the gauge operation.  I switched to the default Robinson and made no other system changes and everything was very smooth.

I did refer to the Flying Club X Members Handbook which contains a tutorial for the 300 that seems to address some control issues.  A magnifying glass will  be helpful but it seems to reference some issues with the performance impact and the rpm control.

Jim

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Thanks Jim I'll have a look there and report back anything of intetest.

Brian

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