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switching from MS FSX to FSX-SE

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I have been away from FSX for quite awhile. I use a number of addon aircraft pmdg etc/airports/orbx global/asn//EFB/pfpx etc. I know when it first came out there was some compatibility issues. Now that I am thinking about picking up the fslabs airbus I am thinking about switching over to the steam version which I bought quite a long time ago but never installed. Is there any downside to the switch at this point or is everything pretty much compatible? 

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I "think" everything is pretty much compatible. Having said that the Steam edition is more stable (some tweaks for FSX MS were incorporated into the SE so you don't have to apply them yourself). Do it! :)

 

SE still doesn't fix any problems in DX10 mode, but Steve's DX10 fixer (payware) goes a long way to rectify that.

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I just made the switch.  These add-ons are fine:

Aerosoft A318/319/320/321

CS 727

CS 737

CS 777

CS L1011

CLS MD-80

Coolsky DC-9

Feelthere ERJ-135/145

QW 757

QW 146/RJ

PMDG NGX

PMDG MD-11

Majestic Q400

ORBX FTX Global

ORBX EU Scotland

UTX USA

Active Sky 2016

REX Soft Clouds

 

The only one of my add-ons that has an issue is the PMDG JS4100, which PMDG has said they will fix once the 747 v2 is out.

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If you're hardware challenged, FSX-SE will be the best move you ever made.

Since I had to switch out the hard drive it looks like it erased my purchase code for the box edition therefore I will be forced to switch over to steam anyway. I have a ton of airports/planes/addons etc that need to be switched over as well and who knows if I will be able to locate all the download links what have you to transfer them all over.  :wub:

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I upgraded my desktop config, and switched to FSX-SE, it was a smooth transition, and the performance out of the box was great! Comparing to the my boxed FSX. Im using steam from the beginning so for me it was easy. NGX working great along with my Orbx stuff. NO performance issue so far. GTX 1070 6800K 

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My FSX box is on the shelf. After installing a clean version of FSX Steam alone on Windows 10 I was blown away by how well it runs. In fact it's flawless as it is with Steams version of Active Sky Next and Rex's Soft clouds. No other addon's are installed. Would more addons installed slow the sim down?, I suppose they would, like they do FSX-boxed.  The PMDG 777f-LRF are now problem free. Made some flights, KMCO-KBGR, KJFK-KLAX, and several others around North America. Will do a trans Atlantic flight soon. I anticipate NO problems to be honest. 28+ FPS at JFK and 55+ with spikes to 75-80 is good enough for me. The other thing I saw was that when you install FSX Steam alone the folders are all FSX, NOT FSX-SE. I read about some addons having install problems with the FSX-SE folder names? After MS install the anniversary update my machine worked even better, some say it made it worse? I have no financial interest in DTG, I do wish them well like every other developer in this community. I will also say what works well for me and or my hardware etc., may not for someone else!

I am waiting for PMDG's 747v2, it should be a show stopper!

Good luck and good flying.

Baldy 

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The other thing I saw was that when you install FSX Steam alone the folders are all FSX, NOT FSX-SE. I read about some addons having install problems with the FSX-SE folder names?

 

Indeed - if you are installing FSX:SE to a computer which formerly had FSX:Boxed installed and you didn't fully and completely remove all traces of FSX:Boxed from the system (files, directories, registry entries, etc.etc.), the FSX:SE installer would create "FSX-SE" directories. Most major developers have issued new installers which will function with this, but others have not.

 

If you're installing onto an OS which has never had FSX installed on it, you will get traditional "FSX" directories and have very smooth sailing.

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Indeed - if you are installing FSX:SE to a computer which formerly had FSX:Boxed installed and you didn't fully and completely remove all traces of FSX:Boxed from the system (files, directories, registry entries, etc.etc.), the FSX:SE installer would create "FSX-SE" directories. Most major developers have issued new installers which will function with this, but others have not.

 

If you're installing onto an OS which has never had FSX installed on it, you will get traditional "FSX" directories and have very smooth sailing.

So if I wanted to do a clean install I would need to delete just FSX or I would have to erase FSX and everything else including all airports and addons? The reinstall with the steam addition and go back and try to find all my download links for all the addsons I picked up over the years. I have everything from ASN to pfpx to orbx global/airpots/pmdg/majestic/rex soft clouds, EFB etc. Got soo many addons. 

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So if I wanted to do a clean install I would need to delete just FSX or I would have to erase FSX and everything else including all airports and addons?

 

FSX:SE won't care about your addons, but it will care about FSX itself - files, registry entries, etc. etc.  That said, when completely removing FSX, you will undoubtedly need to reinstall many of your addons - primarily scenery and aircraft. Others may just need to be reconfigured. But, being very honest - I've never actually attempted such a thing...

 

Whenever I'm switching or upgrading simulation platforms (FSX or P3D), I always blow everything up and reload one of my base system images which effectively resets my computer to having all of Windows configured how I want it, but no simulation stuff at all. Then, the process of reinstalling my simulator begins.

 

So, I've spent a lot of time rebuilding my computers over years, but I've also never had any dual-install compatibility snags or headaches to deal with. I prefer to spend the time up front with the reloading than time trying to track down possible problems and conflicts.

 

Your mileage may vary, of course.

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FSX:SE won't care about your addons, but it will care about FSX itself - files, registry entries, etc. etc.  That said, when completely removing FSX, you will undoubtedly need to reinstall many of your addons - primarily scenery and aircraft. Others may just need to be reconfigured. But, being very honest - I've never actually attempted such a thing...

 

Whenever I'm switching or upgrading simulation platforms (FSX or P3D), I always blow everything up and reload one of my base system images which effectively resets my computer to having all of Windows configured how I want it, but no simulation stuff at all. Then, the process of reinstalling my simulator begins.

 

So, I've spent a lot of time rebuilding my computers over years, but I've also never had any dual-install compatibility snags or headaches to deal with. I prefer to spend the time up front with the reloading than time trying to track down possible problems and conflicts.

 

Your mileage may vary, of course.

I'm going to by the fslabs airbus but I am holding off on anything else for fsx going forward. I'm considering switching platforms to P3d or xplane whichever is best for a longterm platfom with high end aircraft.

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Do I need to download Steve's direct X fixer for the steam edition? I never got it for fsx, but will pick it up if I need it for steam. 

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I have airports/planes like pmdg installed in my fsx folder. I'm not using the fsx boxed edition anymore and have installed fsx-steam. Can I simple move the pmdg files and addon airport folders over from the fsx folder into the fsx steam folder or do I need to redownload and install all my addons to get them into steam? 

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Not sure. I suspect with the scenery you'll have to go into the scenery library and add them so that scenery .cfg knows they're there. No idea on the PMDG stuff.

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I put my PMDG installation DVD I copied when I downloaded the 777 update and reinstalled. You want to record the Email address you used as well as the verification number in the email PMDG sent you to install in the first place. Many, yours truly included have erased Emails with that number by mistake. The order # is not the number I'm talking about. The order # is needed to retrieve the verification number I believe, from support. Clean install for some reason seem to work well, many files get corrupted over time IMHO.

 

Baldy

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I put my PMDG installation DVD I copied when I downloaded the 777 update and reinstalled. You want to record the Email address you used as well as the verification number in the email PMDG sent you to install in the first place. Many, yours truly included have erased Emails with that number by mistake. The order # is not the number I'm talking about. The order # is needed to retrieve the verification number I believe, from support. Clean install for some reason seem to work well, many files get corrupted over time IMHO.

 

Baldy

 

Yea the pmdg stuff I was able to log into my pmdg account. My dash 8 I bought from fspilot or something and now they want me to pay additional money to be able to redownload something I bought already. I'm hoping I have the download file for the dash 8 somewhere on my computer. I havent bothered with my airports yet because I'm thinking they are a major cause of my OOM and maybe I would be better off not using addon airports with the higher quality jets. Its a shame we have to choose between features, but since most of the time I am in the air the airport isn't super important I guess. The question is to I buy Obrx NA LC or will that cause me problems with VAS. That might take the sting out of using default airports.  

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.... That might take the sting out of using default airports.  ...

 

If it comes down to that you may want to try freeware airports. Not so much for any desire for increased eye candy and immersion factor, but more the fact that on the whole people have updated the defaults so that the runways appear in the correct place with correct numbers etc.

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If it comes down to that you may want to try freeware airports. Not so much for any desire for increased eye candy and immersion factor, but more the fact that on the whole people have updated the defaults so that the runways appear in the correct place with correct numbers etc.

Isn't there some sort of add-on that is a runway updater? I am going to get the latest navdata? 

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Hi guys, I think of doing the same (I have arround 60 Gb worth of addons installed atm). Just one thing: Is there any noticable perfromance incease?  If it won´t be for an substantial performance increase, I will refrain from doing so.

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SE is less susceptible to OOMs I believe. That may be classed as a substantial increase to some

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SE is less susceptible to OOMs I believe. That may be classed as a substantial increase to some

To be honest I never used process explorer on the boxed FSX Pro I still have. I only remember a few OOM's. Most likely because I never used any addons beyond PMDG. I always suffered from less than stellar frame rates. But that boxed version was flyable, never suffered from stutters like a buddy of mine did, aircraft don't come to a complete stop on the runway while taking off, etc. The machine I'm using now is NOT the best gaming rig one can build! I understand all of that because other guy's had me build extremely high end, high cost too, machines that did a much better job than the average machine.

I'm using Asus SaberTooth v.1 with an AMD 8350 I picked up for $100.00 at a computer show. 8GB of GSkil 1866 Ram. I put a big Corsair H100 self contained water cooler. An AMD R390 4 gig vid card. In my humble opinion the addition of a Sandisk 490 GB SSD made a ton of difference. This thing boots like in 5-6 seconds, files load so much faster. When you boot up steams FSX the little status bar loading the works is way, way faster, it doesn't crawl across the dialog box like it used to. The aircraft is at the gate in about 1/4 the time. The darn SSD costs almost as much as the whole rest of the rig.

Having said all that. I can tell you I have never had such a great result running a version of FSX.

Installing Steams version of FSX seems to cure a lot of VAS problems. Now I can and did install some addons beyond PMDG. Some Rex Soft Clouds and ASN, steams versions yes. I also installed Aivlasofts Electronic Flight Bag, only made 1 flight but I like it. It is a pretty complete package even for guy's who fly online. It links up nicely with Vatsim and the one for Europe. When you do a Steam only install the folders are all FSX, NOT FSX-SE.

We all have different rigs and all so my results differ from others, that,s why we have forums I guess. It is nice to listen to other opinions or conclusions.

 

Baldy

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havent bothered with my airports yet because I'm thinking they are a major cause of my OOM and maybe I would be better off not using addon airports with the higher quality jets.
 

That's a wise decision. Went to Steam a few months ago and was impressed until I loaded my tons of eye candy then I was having the same performance battles as before. I uninstalled every thing that would not work from an external storage SSD such as my COUTI mega size airports. Pegged my FPS at 20, now she runs smooth as butter. That's PMDG jets with AS16 ,OPUS, and ORBYX  GLOBEL, VECTOR, and North America Land Class. Those big airports are nice, but not worth the frustration of landing in a slide show.  

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havent bothered with my airports yet because I'm thinking they are a major cause of my OOM and maybe I would be better off not using addon airports with the higher quality jets.

 

That's a wise decision. Went to Steam a few months ago and was impressed until I loaded my tons of eye candy then I was having the same performance battles as before. I uninstalled every thing that would not work from an external storage SSD such as my COUTI mega size airports. Pegged my FPS at 20, now she runs smooth as butter. That's PMDG jets with AS16 ,OPUS, and ORBYX  GLOBEL, VECTOR, and North America Land Class. Those big airports are nice, but not worth the frustration of landing in a slide show.  

Interesting. Then I may make the jump and pick up NA LC (not sure if I really need vector). So Far I am using PMDG & FSLabs planes with AS Next/Rex soft clouds and FTX global without issue. I also am starting to run GSX for pushback etc. No problems yet. I do have one or two Orbx airports that I was able to use in the past without having OOM issues, so maybe I will look into adding those. I am thinking about installing all my payware airports but then not loading them into the simulator. I can still use them on some other payware aircraft that don't push my VAS limit like the Dash 8 or cessna trainer even the 737ngx can take a lot before going OOM. The 777 not so much though. 

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