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Franz007

RWY-lights during bad weather?

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Hi to all

 

I am still quite new to P3D and have a question:

 

Aren't the Runway-lights supposed to work when there is rain or bad visibility? For example, i am at Nice LFMN right now (Payware for P3D version) and the weather is quite bad. But i can't see any the Runway- and taxiways-lights. The lights work during night but not now. The actual METAR is LFMN 141130Z 05018KT 8000 -TSRA SCT016 FEW026CB BKN033 17/15 Q1005 NOSIG). I am using ActiveSky, that works perfectly. The wet-effects on the Runway looks amazing, only the lights are missing.

 

Thank you very much for your help (if someone know).

 

Cheers

Franz

 

 

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No because i am departing and i can't enter an ILS into the PMDG 777 when parked. Is that the way we are suppose to do? Really? That would be quite strange...

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Is it only LFMN? Can you check another payware Airport like LEPA or something else?

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OK i will check. I just have seen it at LFMN. Dont have much more experience in P3D with bad weather for the moment.

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I ask again because of that problem: are the RWY-lights suppose to work or not during bad weather (at daytime)?

 

At almost EVERY scenery (i own only Payware-ones) i have no lights when arriving into the fog. That is really annoying. I dont understand why lights are not ON when the weather is bad. I just landed at FLy Tampa LOWW for example: no lights at all (and the metar was: LOWW 171220Z 05003KT 350V130 4500 BR FEW007 OVC008). Can an experienced user perhaps help?

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Just because there is rain or mist doesn't automatically mean the lights will turn on. Airport lights will turn on once you drop into IFR conditions. I'm guessing that once you drop below the VFR minimums (based on US FAA standards), the lights will turn on.

 

Ceiling less than 500' or visibility less than 3 miles.

 

The LFMN METAR does not meet these criteria - the visibility and ceiling are within VFR allowances. The LOWW METAR is riiiiiight on the edge with visibility, but the ceiling is still VFR.

 

In the real world, the airport might choose to turn on the lights because of the marginal conditions, but the simulated world is a little more robotic and probably goes by the letter-of-the-law.

 

If you'd like to further test, manually set your weather to below VFR minimums, and check your airport lighting once again - you should see the runway/approach lighting operational, as well as the rotating beacon.

 

-Greg

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Hi Greg

 

Thanks very much for your comprehensive and competent answer. That's what i was looking for. That makes sense ;-)

 

I will test with conditions below VFR minimums.

 

Best regrads,

Franz

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I tried it again. The Metar was: KDEN 301459Z 24003KT 1/4SM R35L/3500VP6000FT FG OVC002 07/06 A3023 RMK AO2 T00670056

 

Sadly no Runway-lights were ON during Take Off. I don't understand why...

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I tried it again. The Metar was: KDEN 301459Z 24003KT 1/4SM R35L/3500VP6000FT FG OVC002 07/06 A3023 RMK AO2 T00670056

 

Sadly no Runway-lights were ON during Take Off. I don't understand why...

Me neither

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Did you tune the ils?

Tuning the ILS doesn't have any effect on runway lights in real life or in FSX or P3D.

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Tuning the ILS doesn't have any effect on runway lights in real life or in FSX or P3D.

Real life.. ofc not. Now this question was about p3d. Since quite a few airports for fsx functions this way, don't you think it could be valid to suggest the same thing was valid for their p3d counterpart?

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I think I know what has happened here ...

 

If you nip up into the Control Tower there is a plug socket under the desk and the cleaner is always forgetting to put the plug back in after using the vacuum cleaner!! 😀😀

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Real life.. ofc not. Now this question was about p3d. Since quite a few airports for fsx functions this way, don't you think it could be valid to suggest the same thing was valid for their p3d counterpart?

No airports in FSX or P3D have runway lights controlled by tuning the ILS frequency. That's the point I was trying to make when o said FSX or P3D.

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No airports in FSX or P3D have runway lights controlled by tuning the ILS frequency. That's the point I was trying to make when o said FSX or P3D.

I know for sure scansim EKCH has this

 

To quote the developer:

 

"At DAY they are not activated by default.

To turn on the approch lights at DAY in FOGGY weather or other kind of low visibility, tune in both NAV's ( NAV2 ) and use ILS for auto landing. Use frequences listed below for each runways... "

 

Turns out that you find pilot controlled lights in real life also.. google ARCAL/PAL

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Franz,

 

Within a short while Justsim will release an update that solves this issue.

 

As a temprary fix you can enable the rw lighting in the Afcad file with a program like ADE ( freeware ) or AFX ( payware ).

 

Then you see this :

 

Nice%20night%202.jpg

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Close, that option however only effects what you see when you are looking at the airport in ADE. It has no effect within the simulator.

Most third part add-ons have their own lighting and the default simulator lighting is not included in AFCAD.  The recommendation is to put the lighting back into the AFCAD, which will result in default lighting plus add-on lighting.

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The recommendation is to put the lighting back into the AFCAD, which will result in default lighting plus add-on lighting.

 

Dan, thanks for the follow up.

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Thanks for your answers guys.

 

In fact i saw that for example at SBGR (Payware) the lights are here during fog. At KDEN (Flightbeam) they were missing during the same bad weather conditions...

 

The fact that Runway-lighting differs from airport to airport is just a little but unusual for me after having used X-Plane for 15 years, where that wasn't an issue at all.


Close, that option however only effects what you see when you are looking at the airport in ADE. It has no effect within the simulator.

Most third part add-ons have their own lighting and the default simulator lighting is not included in AFCAD.  The recommendation is to put the lighting back into the AFCAD, which will result in default lighting plus add-on lighting.

Do you perhaps know how i can do this at Aerosoft LPPT, LEBL and LTAI? The Runway-lights are completely missing. I downloaded the "Light Patch Pack AS International" from Simmershome but it didn't work for these 3 airports. And i have no idea how i can tell the scenery to use the standard lighting (that would be better than no lights at all  :smile:)

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Last I looked the Simmershome stuff was not P3D compatible and I steered clear of it and their sceneries.

 

Regardless of developer, they ship an AFCAD with their scenery for AI traffic and very little else.  You'll have to learn a little about ADE to take their AFCAD file and modify it to turn on runway and taxi lights. It would be very easy but this is not the place to provide instruction on ADE.  Available from Scruffyduck, he also is part of the FSDevelopers forum where you can go if you are interested.

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Ok, thanks for these informations! I will take a look at that tool.

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Franz,

 

Within a short while Justsim will release an update that solves this issue.

 

As a temprary fix you can enable the rw lighting in the Afcad file with a program like ADE ( freeware ) or AFX ( payware ).

 

Then you see this :

 

Nice%20night%202.jpg

 

Great to hear a patch is coming and I hope it will also include the missing runway centerline lights.

 

Edited to add a link to what the runway lighting should look like

 

 

And edited once again and I guess this has already been pointed out but AFAIK P3D nor FSX never had a built-in system to switch the runway lights ON based on weather conditions. They are controlled based on time of day only but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

However some 3rd party developers have come up with different solutions to tackle this problem such as the one mentioned where tuning the ILS on both sides will switch the lights ON etc.

 

I've also seen scenery where you can beforehand choose if you want the lights on also during daytime if you know the weather will be low vis. One such example is FlyTampa's EKCH where you can set this using the FlyTampa Config Tool.

 

For the upcoming and what so far looks to become an amazing Orbx Innsbruck scenery there will also be some smart technique to control the lights IIRC. For anyone who missed it you can read all about it here and out of own interest I just asked about this specific thing over in the preview thread so let's see what the dev has to say.

 

Personally I wish we had this for any airport 'out-of-the-box' just like we have based on time of day because it does feel quite odd to arrive into an airport with almost zero visibility with the approach and runway lights switched OFF.

 

I know at Stockholm-Arlanda IRL the pilots are often asked by ATC during low vis approaches if they would like the high intensity lights switched ON and it looks very cool when a pilots accepts and you see how all lights are turned up to max like a giant Christmas tree :smile:

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The center lines are not missing, just too dim from the distance. 

According to the lighting will work correctly with the update ( he is working with Orbx  )

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The center lines are not missing, just too dim from the distance. 

According to the lighting will work correctly with the update ( he is working with Orbx  )

 

OK, that is good news :smile:

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