Pete S

Contemplating a new PC Build

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I am ready to start building a new PC for my P3Dv4 and FSX-SE.

Here's what I'm looking at, so far:

CPU - Intel I7-7700K  with Corsair Water Cooler H55

MoBo - Gigabyte AORUS GA-Z270X-Gaming K7

Mem - 16GB (2x8) G.Skill TridentZ RGB DDR4 3000

Video card - EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 8GB
                             or
                  - ASUS ROG Strix GTX 1080 8GB 11GBps
                             or
                 - Gogabyte GTX 1080 Extreme, Water Cooled

Drives - 32gb Optane + 3TB HD (any performance brand).

Power - Corsair CX750M 750W

I'm still debating video card option, the three listed are all similar in performance and price.

Or should I go all out and get the 1080ti. Is it worth the $100 plus extra cost?

Any suggestions, critiques or suggestions welcome.

I'm not planning any huge overclocking, but will play around with some moderate ones.

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I'm surprised that no one has commented on your post yet. I recently bought a pre-built system from Cyberpower (via Amazon) that comes close to matching your specs above.

However, I have 32GB of DD4 system RAM, and have a 1080Ti 11GB VRAM. I've found that the 7700k with a base rate of 4.2 will automatically kick into high gear (so to speak) with an approximate 5+ clock speed when running P3Dv4 or other high-demand software.

IMO the extra cost for the 1080Ti is money well spent, as the extra video memory really lets me kick up the graphics options a lot higher! :biggrin:

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Bill,

I stayed with the EVGA 1070 FTW with my 7700k because I wanted to stay on air and don't overclock.  The one thing I think is important is having a big enough power supply so I went with an 850 watt Corsair power supply.  I feel that my Noctua NH-U95 will run almost as cool as water without the added overhead.  :smile:

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3 hours ago, n4gix said:

I've found that the 7700k with a base rate of 4.2 will automatically kick into high gear (so to speak) with an approximate 5+ clock speed when running P3Dv4 or other high-demand software.

If you're not overclocking it (that is, running it at its base frequency of 4.2 GHz), according to Intel the max turbo frequency for the 7700K is only 4.50 GHz. How are you getting 5+ GHz?

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20 hours ago, vortex681 said:

If you're not overclocking it (that is, running it at its base frequency of 4.2 GHz), according to Intel the max turbo frequency for the 7700K is only 4.50 GHz. How are you getting 5+ GHz?

Sorry, I forgot to include all the particulars. I have "MSI Afterburner" installed and handling everything for me automatically and dynamically. I don't actually have time to sit down and explore all of the manual options, but I'm throughly satisfied with the "default" configuration.

The only thing I've done is to adjust the fan speeds on the 1080Ti slightly to improve the cooling. Now the temperature is maxing out about 50ºC. Prior to my curve adjustments, temp would rise to 65-70ºC and the alarm would start screeching at me...

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On 26/07/2017 at 9:53 AM, n4gix said:

Sorry, I forgot to include all the particulars. I have "MSI Afterburner" installed and handling everything for me automatically and dynamically. I don't actually have time to sit down and explore all of the manual options, but I'm throughly satisfied with the "default" configuration.

The only thing I've done is to adjust the fan speeds on the 1080Ti slightly to improve the cooling. Now the temperature is maxing out about 50ºC. Prior to my curve adjustments, temp would rise to 65-70ºC and the alarm would start screeching at me...

Hey Bill, thinking about a 7700k-1080ti upgradd myself. What Cyberpower model did you buy? (Or if you could post a link)

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2 hours ago, odourboy said:

Hey Bill, thinking about a 7700k-1080ti upgradd myself. What Cyberpower model did you buy? (Or if you could post a link)

Here is a link to the model I bought. I note that it has increased in price by $200, perhaps due to the 1080Ti's increased costs?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XGXDXZF/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Thanks Bill. After you posted the link I noticed your other thread discussing this PC . Looks encouraging. I don't think I could save more than a few hundred bucks building and equivalent machine and this is heck of a lot easier and less risky.

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On ‎7‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 9:18 AM, n4gix said:

I'm surprised that no one has commented on your post yet. I recently bought a pre-built system from Cyberpower (via Amazon) that comes close to matching your specs above.

 

Thanks  Fr.Bill,

I was beginning to think that I smelled bad or something. :laugh:  I'm surprised the 'Auto Notify' system didn't notify me that someone noticed the post!

Is the extra RAM necessary for P3Dv4? Will it help any?

Thanks for the link to your Cyberpower PC (later in this thread), It is worth considering, I've always build my own PC's but as stated it can be a hassle at times. Perhaps a couple of extra bucks is worth spending, getting a turn key system and preserving what's left of my sanity.

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"Drives - 32gb Optane + 3TB HD (any performance brand)."

 

Assuming your going 3TB for storage or placing photo and ORBX  on a separate drive then you you should consider going hybrid . I went sea gate and its perfect , performance is right in the middle between HD & SSD. Not much extra for the hybrid.

 

http://www.seagate.com/as/en/solutions/solid-state-hybrid/

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I'm afraid that Seagate has permanently lost my confidence after three 2 TB drives failed totally in less than three months of use.

In over three decades I've never had a Western Digital HD failure.

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1 minute ago, n4gix said:

I'm afraid that Seagate has permanently lost my confidence after three 2 TB drives failed totally in less than three months of use.

In over three decades I've never had a Western Digital HD failure.

I have 4 and use them because I live in Thailand and they are produced here so they are cheap but cant say I have had any problems and the free back up software that comes with them has saved my butt on multiple occasions :biggrin:

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I just pulled the trigger on this system:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883230229&cm_re=cyberpowerpc_intel_core_i7-_-83-230-229-_-Product

CyberpowerPC Desktop Computer Gamer Panzer VR PRO 3770 Intel Core i7 7th Gen 7700K (4.20 GHz) 16 GB DDR4 3000, 3 TB HDD, 32 GB Optane Memory, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, Windows 10 Home 64-Bit

Very similar to the system proposed in th e OP. I was going back and forth and decided this system had a lot of bang for the buck. May decide to upgrade the PSU (currently 650W, likely a no-name) but with 3000 ddr4 and octane memory, should scream.

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On 7/14/2017 at 9:42 PM, Pete S said:

CPU - Intel I7-7700K  with Corsair Water Cooler H55

MoBo - Gigabyte AORUS GA-Z270X-Gaming K7

Mem - 16GB (2x8) G.Skill TridentZ RGB DDR4 3000

Video card -?????????

Drives - 32gb Optane + 3TB HD (any performance brand).

Power - Corsair CX750M 750W

 

OK after reading some posts and checking around I've decided to make some changes to the original list:

Instead of Corsair H55 go with H60 Hydro Cooler

Instead of Asus MB I decided to go with MSI Z270 Gaming M5 MB

Memory will be G.Skill Ripjaws DDR4 3000

Video Card will be EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 TI SC2 Hybrid Gaming

I'll skip the Optane and Use an extra Samsung 250GB SSD that I already have , I don't think Optane will give me enough of a bang for P3Dv4, and I don't really want to put FS on the Boot Drive. I can always do that later if I change my mind.

Change the Seagate to WD Blue 2 TB HDD

Together with a decent Mid Tower case this priced out at around  $1,750 US Plus time to build it.

I already have Windows 10 Home 64, a good keyboard , Mouse etc.. so no sense in spending an extra $400 on things I don't need so this will be a better deal for me.

Now all I have to do is convince my CFO, she doesn't think I need all that, so I will have to educate her!  :ohmy:

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Looks good! I have some concerns about the optane memory option but it feint heart never had a fair maiden.  I didn't mention the purchase to the CFO. It could be a long lonely summer when word gets out. :bengong:

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Well at least you'll have a new rig to keep you company. :biggrin:

I was debating whether to get a turn key system or build one. I've always built them myself an have quite a collection of spare parts, so I decided to build one again. The PC builds are actually getting a lot simpler and easier compared to 20 years ago. 

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3 minutes ago, Pete S said:

Well at least you'll have a new rig to keep you company. :biggrin:

I was debating whether to get a turn key system or build one. I've always built them myself an have quite a collection of spare parts, so I decided to build one again. The PC builds are actually getting a lot simpler and easier compared to 20 years ago. 

Especially since you tube tutorials can teach a monkey to build one :biggrin:

I even repaired my fridge via you tube

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But a monkey can't request an RMA on a DOA motherboard. :biggrin:  I've built my last two gaming PCs and was all set to build this one, but when I kept reading reviews about parts arriving bad, I decided to try to avoid some headaches and buy a prebuilt machine. Only time will tell if this was a sound strategy.

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Although it generally saves you some money, I think that the biggest argument for building it yourself is that you get to use the best brand and model of each component that you can afford with no generic parts. That said, most of the better gaming PCs do come with brand name parts, just not necessarily the same quality you'd use yourself. You still get the warranty on individual parts but it just means you have to troubleshoot any problems yourself.

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8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

. That said, most of the better gaming PCs do come with brand name parts, just not necessarily the same quality you'd use yourself. You still get the warranty on individual parts but it just means you have to troubleshoot any problems yourself.

Jetline Systems built a computer for me a while back and it to my specifications with the same quality parts I would have used if I had built it myself.  It worked without any problems right out of the box. :smile:

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10 minutes ago, Bluestar said:

Jetline Systems built a computer for me a while back and it to my specifications with the same quality parts I would have used if I had built it myself.  It worked without any problems right out of the box. :smile:

Jetline have a very good reputation but at a cost. If you take their GT2 as an example, using PartPicker to source the components, you could build an identical system for almost $1200 less - that's quite a premium to pay to have someone else build it.

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On 8/3/2017 at 4:58 AM, vortex681 said:

Although it generally saves you some money, I think that the biggest argument for building it yourself is that you get to use the best brand and model of each component that you can afford with no generic parts. That said, most of the better gaming PCs do come with brand name parts, just not necessarily the same quality you'd use yourself. You still get the warranty on individual parts but it just means you have to troubleshoot any problems yourself.

Those are the main reasons I like to build my own, save money and the fact that it gives me a great PC and a feeling of accomplishment.

The last time I bought a complete PC was from Gateway back in early nineties, since then I have built over 15 PCs (mostly for myself)  and never regretted building any of them.

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rjfry,

You're talking about a LGA 2066 Motherboard that would require a processor costing twice what a LGA 1151 CPU costs.

I don't think FS performance would justify the steep increase in price of the MB/CPU combo. 

I'm sticking with MSI Z270 Gaming M5 board and I7-7700K,  that I just ordered at a fraction of what an Aorus x299 and Kaby Lake X would cost.

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On 8/2/2017 at 5:55 PM, odourboy said:

Looks good! I have some concerns about the optane memory option but it feint heart never had a fair maiden.  I didn't mention the purchase to the CFO. It could be a long lonely summer when word gets out. :bengong:

Greetings odourboy,

Well I've got the CFO's approval, all the parts for my system ordered, some have already arrived . :biggrin:

Changed a couple of things again:

-Going with a Cooler Master liquid Cooler, using one now and I like it and the price.

-Added the Optane back in.

-Changed to G.Skill TridentZ RGB Series DDR4 3000. Lots of pretty LED colors :biggrin: ,on sale for same price as my first choice.

-Changed the HD to a 2TB Seagate Firecuda SSHD.

-The Mid Tower Case is be DIYPC J180-BL I already received it, it looks like a nice case with lots of room and only $32 with the $5 rebate.

Total Price will be about $1800 not bad for what I'm getting! Love Newegg and Pay Pal (6 months no payment/no interest).  

I'm still waiting for the I7-7700K, my brother-in-law will pick one up for me at Micro Center in KC, we don't have one in Oklahoma so I'll have to wait 'till next month when he brings it over. Couldn't pass up their $299 price, but it's an 'in store only' price!  I guess I can always ask him to mail it to me if I run out of patience.

I also decided to order the Optane 32GB, I'm really curious as to whether it will be better than my SDD, for running the P3Dv4.  I'l try it both ways.

Let me know what you think of the Optane when you get you rig.

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