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Is there a way to strip the sky of the unrealistically great amount of stars shown? Thanks.

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They are not really that unrealistic to be honest. Stood on the ground in a city or town, where there is a good deal of light pollution, it's true you won't see that many, but up in the skies or even down on the ground in more remote areas where there is less light pollution, you absolutely can see a lot of stars. If you get out into the country and look up, it really is quite beautiful. I used to love doing that when I lived in Cornwall, you would be surprised how many stars you can see on a clear night when you are somewhere like that.

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1 hour ago, SimPilot221 said:

Is there a way to strip the sky of the unrealistically great amount of stars shown? Thanks.

Unrealistic?

Have you ever been in an aeroplane at night?

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If anything P3D skies lacking stars...the Envtex night sky is far better.

 

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2 hours ago, SimPilot221 said:

Is there a way to strip the sky of the unrealistically great amount of stars shown? Thanks.

You can edit the stars.dat file in the main p3d folder.

gb.

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14 hours ago, DEHowie said:

Unrealistic?

Have you ever been in an aeroplane at night?

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If anything P3D skies lacking stars...the Envtex night sky is far better.

 

Now now - no need to become rude.

 

And I'm sure there are places in the world where this effect is visible, however everywhere else it's not as common.

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lol

default Sim comes with 9k star database,
here's Sim with Stargazer Project, a 250k Star database enhancement!

 

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I like the look of that Chris. Always loved the Stars at night.

Hopefully not long to wait...

 

 

Hamish

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1 hour ago, SimPilot221 said:

Now now - no need to become rude.

 

And I'm sure there are places in the world where this effect is visible, however everywhere else it's not as common.

Hmmm as a former pilot IRL I would suggest that at any altitude above 1000 AGL, the ground based light pollution is no longer impactful meaning if the sky is clear, the stars are too.  MANY, MANY of them.

i agree with Chris Bell, we need more stars, not less for "As Real as it Gets"

-Braun

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On 25/07/2017 at 2:22 AM, SimPilot221 said:

Now now - no need to become rude.

 

And I'm sure there are places in the world where this effect is visible, however everywhere else it's not as common.

Actually its a serious question not being rude.

If you have never sat up front in a darkened cockpit at night you will never know just how many stars are visible to the eye at night.

Once your vision adapts the sky is covered and an amazing sight.

Not being rude i was asking a serious question as if you havnt its understandable if you have then you need to turn the lights down more!

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That picture of the Airbus cockpit and stars is not legit IMO.  A side hobby of mine is night sky photography and in order to get stars to show up like that in a pic requires about a 20 second exposure or more.  You can actually see the stars in the pic appear to be a small line (smudge) which is what happens in these type of exposure shots due to the earth rotation....this one possibly being more than 20 seconds...maybe 30.  A 20+ second exposure from that position would make the cockpit entirely too bright so some photographic trickery was involved here. I'd guess that they took (or used) a ground based photo and photo-shopped it into the pic of the cockpit. Plus, you would never get a star shot like that from a moving cockpit...hard enough on the still ground!!  Naked eye viewing would depend on how bright the cockpit lighting is as your eyes need to be super dark adapted to see stars anything like that....especially to see the Orion nebula which is visible in that pic..:biggrin:

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On ‎7‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 9:44 PM, DEHowie said:

Unrealistic?

Have you ever been in an aeroplane at night?

 

 

The problem with night sky pictures is that they are done with exposures so you will see things your naked eye cannot and will never see.  The pics are neat but not real (in the sense of what your naked eye would see). I very much doubt someone (maybe they or you do??) has the ability to get a 20-30 second exposure that requires the camera to be perfectly still from an airplane (and from behind a dirty windscreen!!) in order to see the Milky Way like it shows in the first pic (I can't shoot it that good from my backyard with a nice camera!!).  Creative artwork for sure...but not something you can see with your eyes from a cockpit or passenger window.  One of the coolest sites I've seen though was the Hale-Bopp comet from FL 410 back in 1997....but still not as dramatic as all the pics you see of it...which were all timed exposures.

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Those that have seen the night sky with young eyes from the deep country will never forget it.

Mark

 

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2 hours ago, mtrainer said:

Those that have seen the night sky with young eyes from the deep country will never forget it.

Mark

 

So very well put Mark. Those who live in the city with its ambient glow have no idea how full a clear sky is.

Vic

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9 hours ago, Flic1 said:

The problem with night sky pictures is that they are done with exposures so you will see things your naked eye cannot and will never see.  The pics are neat but not real (in the sense of what your naked eye would see). I very much doubt someone (maybe they or you do??) has the ability to get a 20-30 second exposure that requires the camera to be perfectly still from an airplane (and from behind a dirty windscreen!!) in order to see the Milky Way like it shows in the first pic (I can't shoot it that good from my backyard with a nice camera!!).  Creative artwork for sure...but not something you can see with your eyes from a cockpit or passenger window.  One of the coolest sites I've seen though was the Hale-Bopp comet from FL 410 back in 1997....but still not as dramatic as all the pics you see of it...which were all timed exposures.

I guess thats the difference between people who have been on the flight deck and seen it.

The ohotos have been taken to portay EXACTLY what is visible from the flight deck at altitude.

Standing in yiur back yard at sea level with city lights filling the sky with ambient light is so far removed from what you can see from a flight deck at night as to basically be another world.

Cabin crew are continually stunned by how clear the Milky Way and the thousands of stars you can see once your eyes adjust from the bright even when dimmed cabin lights.

At sea level you can see far fewer stars than at even 35000'.

So no fancy tricks to use long exposures its a 5 second exposure for the night sky and edited to show you what every pilot sees every night. The human eye is far more efficient at gatheringblight than a 2.8 Fstop lens so you need that amount to gather what the eye can see. If you ran the exposure up to 20-30 seconds you could fill in the entire Milky way but the objective of this exposure is to show what we see everyday on a moonless night.

Go for a country drive sit in the darest place you can find for 30 minutes and turn your eyes skyward and you will see a fraction of what you can see at altitude without the thickest part of the atmosphere blocking out the weakest of visible stars.

 

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PS probably the greatest displeasure of the flight sim community is the "I know more than you" attitude even though they have never been there and never seen it.

The "it cant possibly be like that" crowd.

The sim community has very little input from real pilots(not hard to wonder why really) partly because when they do give input its the same old same old....oh that cant be right the sky doesnt look like that from my balcony, or how would you know, or oh look it cant possibly be like that as a friend of mine who once sat in a jump seat says its not true..lol.

The environment at 10 plus thousand feet it very very different to that at sea level. Lighting is far more intense, way more saturation in sky colors at sunrise and set. Color graduations are far more pronounced with the full spectrum of color visible across the transition at the terminator(modt sim pilots wont inow what the terminator is because non of the sims show it) every day. Some things like the terminator is not even simulated with gradual transitions yet in the real world the terminator runs like a hard edged line demarcing day and night. 

Camera tech today still does not allow the capture accurately of the colors and graduations the eye can see with its incredible light gathering ability so its still hard to share what we see.

Right now the closest to real sky is the Milky Way texture from Envtex if you want something thats very close to what you see in the dark hours from the flightdeck.

Enjoy.

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Without getting into focal ratios (f 2.8 is extremely fast and the size of the objective lens is unknown), the photos above have obviously been re-touched because the displays would be blurry and blown-out if a 5 second exposure was used in an actual cockpit.

To the unaided eye, there are potentially 9,096 stars (of mag 6.5 or below) that might be visible ( http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-resources/how-many-stars-night-sky-09172014/ )... so the number included by default is actually pretty close.  The problem is that the sim usually does a pretty terrible job of depicting actual star intensity and the dimmest stars are way too bright.  In reality, the ambient light in the cockpit (Displays, panel lighting, etc.) will also greatly hinder night vision, so I use Autostar to limit stars to around mag 4.5 for a much more reasonable representation.

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5 hours ago, mtrainer said:

Those that have seen the night sky with young eyes from the deep country will never forget it.

Mark

 

Remembering sitting on a clear night on a sand dune deep in the tunesian desert and getting instant goose bumps .... i felt what is in reality: sitting on a small marble in the middle of outer space.

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4 hours ago, DEHowie said:

PS probably the greatest displeasure of the flight sim community is the "I know more than you" attitude even though they have never been there and never seen it.

Funny you mention that, because I see that attitude likewise among real world and non real world pilots here. And not seldom, it's real world pilots who argue between them.

 

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Why would anyone want 250,000 stars for a flight simulator? There are a total of around 9000 stars visible to the naked eye across both hemispheres (north and south), so you are looking at a maximum of 4500 stars visible on a perfectly clear night.

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