Rockliffe

Is 49" too big? (said the actress to the bishop!)

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I'm going to be asking quite a few questions over the next couple of months as a I research and prepare myself for a new build of my sim. This will be based around a 4k monitor driven by a GTX1080ti  and I7@4.5Ghz. (if funds allow!) My question is, is 49" too big sat 24"-30" away or should I consider a 43" monitor? I don't want to build a rig based on a 43" monitor and then wish I had spent just a little more for a 49". Equally, I don't wish to be sat in front of a 49" screen and find I have issues with it. What issues, I don't know, but hence my question. Advice always gratefully recieved guys.

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Certainly not.

For P3Dv4 I have a 55 inch LED smart 4K TV with a curved screen and it is not too big. 

Kind regards,

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10 minutes ago, SpiritFlyer said:

Certainly not.

For P3Dv4 I have a 55 inch LED smart 4K TV with a curved screen and it is not too big. 

Kind regards,

Hi Stephen, at what distance are you sat from the monitor?

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Following this thread. Users that have large 4K TVs post pictures of the setup so we can get a sense of scale and how the VC looks on something like that. 

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1 minute ago, Angelo Cosma said:

Following this thread. Users that have large 4K TVs post pictures of the setup so we can get a sense of scale and how the VC looks on something like that. 

Sure, I'm after some personal opinion and feedback from users rather than looking at a photo Angelo.

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2 minutes ago, Rockliffe said:

Sure, I'm after some personal opinion and feedback from users rather than looking at a photo Angelo.

I was implying adding a photo of their setup when they replied with their comments, thoughts, concerns etc. 

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1 hour ago, Rockliffe said:

Hi Stephen, at what distance are you sat from the monitor?

In the kitchen!

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1 minute ago, Ron Attwood said:

In the kitchen!

 :biggrin: Hiya Ron you old scoundrel!

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4 hours ago, Rockliffe said:

is 49" too big sat 24"-30" away

NO. There is no "too big", there is only "too expensive"!

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2 hours ago, Angelo Cosma said:

Users that have large 4K TVs post pictures of the setup so we can get a sense of scale and how the VC looks on something like that. 

The VC will look exactly as big as you want it to look! If you're trading up from a smaller monitor the first step should be to set it up to be the same size as on the smaller monitor, in which case you will see more. Of course if you had a really small monitor, you probably had things smaller-than-life, so next step is to try to get close to life-size. With a 49" monitor that's easily doable, especially if you use a TrackIR.

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LG 38UC99 38" IPS 21:9 UltraWide Curved Monitor

I recently traded up for one of these as I sit only 24" away from my monitor. Its the most beautiful Monitor I have ever bought and I love the wide aspect. A complete game changer...

 

Hamish

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1 hour ago, hamish7777 said:

LG 38UC99 38" IPS 21:9 UltraWide Curved Monitor

I recently traded up for one of these as I sit only 24" away from my monitor. Its the most beautiful Monitor I have ever bought and I love the wide aspect. A complete game changer...

 

Hamish

Sure Hamish, i have looked at these, but I feel I really need to get as close to life size as possible. I also want to retain some vertical 'real estate' to keep some of the panel in view.

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1 hour ago, hamish7777 said:

I recently traded up for one of these as I sit only 24" away from my monitor. Its the most beautiful Monitor I have ever bought and I love the wide aspect. A complete game changer...

I can't imagine choosing this over a 40" 4K, even if they cost the same!

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58" and Love it! Viewing position is about 32" from the screen and with zoom at .6 in the VC, instruments are approximately real-life size and I can get both instruments and windscreen in my view, so I don't need to pan too much.

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OK, I'm sold. 49" it is.The next thing is cost. I'm looking at no more than about £650 and I hope to get about £250-£300 for my Dell 2560x1600 30" Ultrasharp. There are a couple I have my eyes on, the first is LG. The big point for me is not to have one of the silly glossy screens, that would bug me to death! I think Sony TV's are matt. Can anyone verify this? Also, how easy is it to get a 4K TV that runs at 30hz? Do they all offer this to some extent, or only a few?

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On ‎2017‎-‎07‎-‎24 at 9:17 AM, Rockliffe said:

Hi Stephen, at what distance are you sat from the monitor?

Howard,

I sit about 36 to 42 inches back by the time I attach the yoke and set up the pedals. With Track IR and 4K resolution the 55 inch low reflective curved screen makes me feel inside the cockpit most of the time (when the phone doesn't ring).

BTW, another factor may be the (Samsung) smart TV acting as the physics processor in the NVIDIA setup. It probably adds something to the performance factor, releasing the 1080 to do what it does best, but which I haven't objectively tested.

I likely said this before, but with the new tech in both hardware and 64 bit software, it seems like a new simulated world from even a couple of years ago. I can't imagine going back to a less persuasive sized viewpoint. 

Time to join Ron in the kitchen!

Kind regards,

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10 hours ago, SpiritFlyer said:

BTW, another factor may be the (Samsung) smart TV acting as the physics processor in the NVIDIA setup. It probably adds something to the performance factor, releasing the 1080 to do what it does best, but which I haven't objectively tested.

The output of your 1080 isn't affected by what it's plugged in to, it simply generates video data. If the card is sending 30 FPS to the display, there's no way that your display can somehow improve on that as it doesn't have access to the raw data that's going to the card.

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11 hours ago, SpiritFlyer said:

Howard,

I sit about 36 to 42 inches back by the time I attach the yoke and set up the pedals. With Track IR and 4K resolution the 55 inch low reflective curved screen makes me feel inside the cockpit most of the time (when the phone doesn't ring).

BTW, another factor may be the (Samsung) smart TV acting as the physics processor in the NVIDIA setup. It probably adds something to the performance factor, releasing the 1080 to do what it does best, but which I haven't objectively tested.

I likely said this before, but with the new tech in both hardware and 64 bit software, it seems like a new simulated world from even a couple of years ago. I can't imagine going back to a less persuasive sized viewpoint. 

Time to join Ron in the kitchen!

Kind regards,

Good advice as always Stephen. Cheers.

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65 inch Sammy curved 4k and really envious of my buddies 78 inch curved Sammy 4k.

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9 hours ago, vortex681 said:

The output of your 1080 isn't affected by what it's plugged in to, it simply generates video data. If the card is sending 30 FPS to the display, there's no way that your display can somehow improve on that as it doesn't have access to the raw data that's going to the card.

Thank you vortex, but you missed the point. It's a separate 4 core processor being utilized by Nvidia for physX...

Ahhhh, never mind... :)

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7 hours ago, warbirds said:

65 inch Sammy curved 4k and really envious of my buddies 78 inch curved Sammy 4k.

Yes, I already have 65 inch envy.

In boating circles it's called onefootitis... "If only my boat was a foot longer, or so!"

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1 hour ago, SpiritFlyer said:

Thank you vortex, but you missed the point. It's a separate 4 core processor being utilized by Nvidia for physX...

Ahhhh, never mind... :)

Clearly too subtle for me, I'm afraid!

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On 7/24/2017 at 7:59 AM, Rockliffe said:

I'm going to be asking quite a few questions over the next couple of months as a I research and prepare myself for a new build of my sim. This will be based around a 4k monitor driven by a GTX1080ti  and I7@4.5Ghz. (if funds allow!) My question is, is 49" too big sat 24"-30" away or should I consider a 43" monitor? I don't want to build a rig based on a 43" monitor and then wish I had spent just a little more for a 49". Equally, I don't wish to be sat in front of a 49" screen and find I have issues with it. What issues, I don't know, but hence my question. Advice always gratefully recieved guys.

I have similar hardware to yours. 6700k @5.0 and 1080ti. I just went to a 4k monitor, a 49" samsung curved (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XWVW3JS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) I sit 3' from it and its fine. It will also go to 30htz. 30htz isnt a magic bullet though as I have found, after a week of trying to get my machine to run smooth at 30htz I gave up on it and went back to 60htz.  Its crazy because I have max sliders at 4K in KSFO with NCA and Vector and Fligfhtbeam and getting 40 fps. Same with DD NY. But if I go to 30htz, drop all the sliders and turn on vsync, I struggle to maintain 26 fps and have horrible stutters. Going to 4K is great but dont put a whole lot of faith in that 30htz logic. Also with 4K I dont see anymore shimmering which is nice.

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28 minutes ago, JasonW said:

I have similar hardware to yours. 6700k @5.0 and 1080ti. I just went to a 4k monitor, a 49" samsung curved (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XWVW3JS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) I sit 3' from it and its fine. It will also go to 30htz. 30htz isnt a magic bullet though as I have found, after a week of trying to get my machine to run smooth at 30htz I gave up on it and went back to 60htz.  Its crazy because I have max sliders at 4K in KSFO with NCA and Vector and Fligfhtbeam and getting 40 fps. Same with DD NY. But if I go to 30htz, drop all the sliders and turn on vsync, I struggle to maintain 26 fps and have horrible stutters. Going to 4K is great but dont put a whole lot of faith in that 30htz logic. Also with 4K I dont see anymore shimmering which is nice.

Thanks for the info, appreciated. I'm following Rob Ainscough's advice regarding the 30hz thing. I'm guessing if frames are locked at 30, which I always fly at, then if the monitor is running at 30hz, then that negates any reason to run Vsync ?

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