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Alabeo Mooney M20R released!

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Nice - been fancying a speedy Mooney for some time!  Thanks for the H-U.

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Looks pretty dang good if I do say so myself. Glad they stuck to the standard six pack. Curious to see what first adopters think.

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It's a good airplane, immensely popular with it's RW owners.  I'd expect they'll get good sales out of it.  Not as capable as the PA46-350P but has a good reputation.  The six pack is nice as is the 750 integration.  Wish they'd done that in the PA46...so wish.

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2 hours ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

The six pack is nice as is the 750 integration.  Wish they'd done that in the PA46...so wish.

+1  !!

3 hours ago, JGreen5278 said:

Looks pretty dang good if I do say so myself. Glad they stuck to the standard six pack. Curious to see what first adopters think.

Have a horrible feeling I am about to become one of those first adopters Johnny!   I don't think I can resist an Ovation;  even though this will be the first P3D load up in a couple of weeks, as I've been XP11 obsessed lately :cool:

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9 minutes ago, JYW said:

+1  !!

Have a horrible feeling I am about to become one of those first adopters Johnny!   I don't think I can resist an Ovation;  even though this will be the first P3D load up in a couple of weeks, as I've been XP11 obsessed lately :cool:

Me too. I am the owner of a real world M20M - same airframe as the Ovation but different engine. I will be curious to see if they have got the flight dynamic right when flaps are extended. That will be my test.

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Just bought it.    Unusually slow download speed from Alabeo, so perhaps a lot are buying it today!

 

3 minutes ago, DavidP said:

I will be curious to see if they have got the flight dynamic right when flaps are extended. That will be my test.


@DavidP I fear Alabeo/Carenado are notoriously random in this area - some 'go up' some 'go down' - rarely in line with the real aircraft!

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4 minutes ago, JYW said:

Just bought it.    Unusually slow download speed from Alabeo, so perhaps a lot are buying it today!

Looking forward to your initial thoughts, fellow Canuck (or is it Brit?).

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Just now, tamsini said:

Looking forward to your initial thoughts, fellow Canuck (or is it Brit?).

Both! :biggrin:   Downloaded, so about to install.  Then I'll take some screenies and post them in the Screenshot forum, and put a link in this thread. :cool:

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22 minutes ago, JYW said:


@DavidP I fear Alabeo/Carenado are notoriously random in this area - some 'go up' some 'go down' - rarely in line with the real aircraft!

Yes, I usually pass anything that they produce but I'm afraid I may relent this time. Not expecting it to be too accurate but looks good. I always liked the look of Moritz gauges!

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14 minutes ago, DavidP said:

Yes, I usually pass anything that they produce but I'm afraid I may relent this time. Not expecting it to be too accurate but looks good. I always liked the look of Moritz gauges!

Me too!  There's not many payware Mooney's so this is on my buy list when the pc is running again.  I'll watch for JYW's mini review 

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45 minutes ago, JYW said:

Just bought it.    Unusually slow download speed from Alabeo, so perhaps a lot are buying it today!

 


@DavidP I fear Alabeo/Carenado are notoriously random in this area - some 'go up' some 'go down' - rarely in line with the real aircraft!

I'd suspect it will be fairly good.  My bet is that they reuse the FDE from their earlier Mooney made by Bernt Stole with some mods.  I didn't get that one but heard it was very good. 

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50 minutes ago, JYW said:

Both! :biggrin:   Downloaded, so about to install.  Then I'll take some screenies and post them in the Screenshot forum, and put a link in this thread. :cool:

Let us know how she handles! I am really curious on this one! Lol

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Here's a quick one to whet your appetite, while i post the others in the screenie forum section:-

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PS.  She's not perfect, in most ways, the usual Alabeo... but.... I LIKE IT !!

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Here we go, 9 screenshots and some initial thoughts on it :-

Cheers

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Thanks JYW, you've convinced me to pull the trigger and have a go!

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1 hour ago, DavidP said:

Thanks JYW, you've convinced me to pull the trigger and have a go!

Hi DavidP. Please let us know how it feels to your experienced hand. Credit card at the ready. Love the looks of the Panel.

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I'll ask what my question is ALWAYS with Carenado/Alabeo. Framerate inconsistency between planes.

A) Please reply if rates are on par with one of the below:

1) Early Carenado Mooney/Bonanza/AC11/C172/Arrow IV, Alabeo Cutlass (basically FSX default rates)

2) "Frame rate Friendly" (Such as Alabeo Saratoga or C310).

3) Lower rates (but still steam gauge speeds), such as Piper Aztec, C340, Piper Seminole (yes, this is in a slower frame class than 2 above)

4) Terrible, such as all/most of their Bizjets, or anything with their Avidyne EX500 or G1000 glass cockpits, such as C182, Meridian, TBM.

I would expect this plane should be close to the (2) category, especially the C310... which isn't as good as the Saratoga for the quality of bling, but not bad.

 

B) Test this: With the Mooney's basic GPS/GNS-530 on terrain display mode, during a hard turn, does the terrain refresh make the VC view out the cockpit pause on update? This is inconsistent on their (really on all P3D/FSX) payware planes. Some have it, some don't. If it has this problem, you will notice during the turn that the frame rate should be smooth except for a "clicking" type pause when the terrain display on the GPS terrain updates every 1-2 seconds or so. It is REALLY annoying and I will not put up with it. The Alabeo Saratoga and C310 do NOT have this, while the otherwise superior frame rate Carenado AC11 does, as does the Cardinal, I believe.

 

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40 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

Hi DavidP. Please let us know how it feels to your experienced hand. Credit card at the ready. Love the looks of the Panel.

Will do Shivers, I'll have a quick play and report back some initial impressions!

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1 hour ago, violingineer said:

A) Please reply if rates are on par with one of the below:

1) Early Carenado Mooney/Bonanza/AC11/C172/Arrow IV, Alabeo Cutlass (basically FSX default rates)

2) "Frame rate Friendly" (Such as Alabeo Saratoga or C310).

3) Lower rates (but still steam gauge speeds), such as Piper Aztec, C340, Piper Seminole (yes, this is in a slower frame class than 2 above)

4) Terrible, such as all/most of their Bizjets, or anything with their Avidyne EX500 or G1000 glass cockpits, such as C182, Meridian, TBM.

@violingineer Category 2 I would say.  Although the standard VC textures are 4096 so whether or not you render them at the full 4096 or cap them down (if using P3Dv4 which allows this, in-sim) will also influence performance.

Initial bugs identified:

1. The trim wheel and trim indication are completely reversed!!   C'mon Alabeo, talk about basics.   So when you press your 'Trim up' button on your yoke, the trim wheel goes in the wrong direction, and the trim indicator moves towards "Down".  :blink:    (Functionality of the trim is not affected by this - it's just the animations).

2. The Oil Temp gauge has digital and analogue (dial) indications.  the digital readings seem correct but the analogue dial does not move and stays on the minimum :-

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3.  (Probably not a bug!) .... I was under the impression that this engine was turbo charged, no?    Because it certainly isn't in this model and MP drops off surpringly quickly in the climb.

4. The Rudder trim has a zone marked for T/O ...... don't set the rudder trim to this zone for take-off!  It may be marked in the correct place according to the real Mooney but "in sim" setting the rudder trim to this zone upsets the ground roll model.   Leave the Rudder trim in the neutral position.

 

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8 minutes ago, JYW said:

3.  (Probably not a bug!) .... I was under the impression that this engine was turbo charged, no?    Because it certainly isn't in this model and MP drops off surpringly quickly in the climb.   It can still do 200kts TAS at 7,500MSL easily though. :gaul:

Don't think it is...a good thing since it would have longer range being non-turbocharged and, also, the P3D turbocharger model is messed up.

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11 minutes ago, JYW said:

1. The trim wheel and trim indication are completely reversed!!   C'mon Alabeo, talk about basics.   So when you press your 'Trim up' button on your yoke, the trim wheel goes in the wrong direction, and the trim indicator moves towards "Down".  :blink:    (Functionality of the trim is not affected by this - it's just the animations).

Yep, agreed. This is a stand out.

 

11 minutes ago, JYW said:

3.  (Probably not a bug!) .... I was under the impression that this engine was turbo charged, no?    Because it certainly isn't in this model and MP drops off surpringly quickly in the climb.   It can still do 200kts TAS at 7,500MSL easily though. :gaul:

The Ovation is a normally aspirated engine, but agree that the MP does drop rather quickly. I also think that it is substantially over powered. Once setting 23/2400 I still see the IAS still increasing rapidly and settling on the yellow arc. Although I have not flown an Ovation, the M20M will settle at around 140 KIAS. Then, I reduce the power to 18"/2400 (typical pattern setting) and the IAS takes forever to reduce. The M20 is slippery, but not that slippery. Properly managed, it can easily be reduced to approach speed.

 

11 minutes ago, JYW said:

Leave the Rudder trim in the neutral position.

This is what I do for real - leaving a big load of rudder trim at take off could get nasty! The rudder trim switch also doesn't appear to function correctly when pressing for right trim.

The flap selector - this class of Mooney has UP, T/O, LDG selectors - this model has a 4-5 step flap selection.

I don't know what it is with FDE writers, but there seems this fixation with a load of engine torque constantly wanting to roll the aircraft left in cruise flight. This simply doesn't happen in the aircraft I've flown. In cruise, the M20 can be set up to fly straight and level quite happily with virtually zero rudder trim hands off.

My first thoughts anyway ... it's OK, but not great.

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Here, the radio master switch doesn't work and the magneto/start switch as well.  Turning the STBY VAC switch changes nothing on the advisory panel (maybe it's not a bug and finally is there a switch to activate the speed brake?

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I also bought this Mooney and it is indeed a rocket ship I'm at 8,000 23/2400 15.6 fuel flow getting 189ktas True I am really liking this plane so far 

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