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Hmmm, maybe a bit on the steep side price wise for a lite sim version, but I would be intrigued to see a full review of it.

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MSFS GPS system kills it for me right there. I don't want anything that has MSFS gps system. That thing is like a virus. So I don't want it anywhere near my planes. Plus the VC does look a bit plain. Seems to be textured correctly however it just seems like it needs more photo real or weathering. Does have apparently Eric Marciano working with him for the proline system so I guess it has something going for it. 

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Okay, decided to 'take one for the team' and buy it lol. I'll post a video shortly. I should imagine it is probably on par with the likes of Virtualcol, which is no bad thing if you want a simple aeroplane that's fun to fly and not desperately expensive, but we'll see.

Note that I didn't buy it from Simmarket as I reckon the conversion from Euros would have made it dearer, so I went to NXGN's website and checked other places, it's cheaper at many of those and of the choices available, I went for the FlightSim Store, where it works out at about 20 quid UK currency.

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Quick video, nothing special, just some VC views, in flight external views with close ups, of animations such as the gear, speed brakes and flaps, with the fps counter on so you can see how it does. I must say I was pleasantly surprised with the thing, sure it's no study sim, but if you went to the trouble of adding a couple of gauges to it, it could be pretty close to a real one in many respects. Having said that, it does feature a usable FMC and there are plenty of avionics options and switches in the VC to mess around with, so, not bad for 20 quid. Sounds are pretty good. Textures don't rival Carenado/Alabeo, but it's no worse avionics wise than their offerings and a bit of work with the paint kit could sort that out although to be fair, you do get quite a few nice liveries (nine in total, from various nations), and they are not bad. As you can see, the 3D model is pretty good (one of two variants which are included, the other with a slightly different tailplane). Notice that the static strips on the nosecone and some other bits are actually modeled, as opposed to being just textures, so it's not a lazy 3D model by any stretch. The VC is functional rather than beautiful in appearance, but I can live with that and again, it could be tarted up a bit with some fancier textures.

Note that FRAPS knocks the frame rate down a bit, unavoidable when capturing for a vid. P3D for this vid has pretty much all the sliders on full throttle all the way over to the right for autogen, cloud detail, maximum coverage and draw distances, all the lighting whistles and bells on, reflections, full detail water, flying from a payware airport (UK2000 EGGP) with airline traffic on 100 percent and AS and ASCA doing the weather, plus UT2 Europe terrain and the trees are TerraFlora, so as you can see it's not bad on frame rates considering all that lot is switched on. Which I guess is part of this add-on aeroplane's appeal. The vid is at 1080px, so if you stick it on that youtube setting, you can see the VC avionics and text is very clear, much better in fact than most add-ons.

I'd say it was worth a punt for 20 quid if you aren't too bothered about having the exact realistic avionics of a real one, which of course you could add anyway if you have them, and as you can see, it is very easy on frames when you consider that the computer which was recording this only has a miniscule 4Gb of RAM in it at the moment.

 

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Fair play to you Alan, when you get an idea in your head you don't hang about :happy:

 

Whenever I buy a new aircraft it takes me hours before I manage to get it in the air lol.

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Well, it's not exactly Concorde lol,  if you know how to fly one jet, then this one ain't too different, but, that's another good point of this add-on, you get two manuals. One is a 34 page Tutorial Flight from KEYW to KRDU and includes a full cold and dark start up, how to program the FMC, set the V-speeds, taxy it, take it off the deck, fly it in cruise, land it etc. The other manual is a 127 page User Manual, and they are both very nicely laid out and look fairly well written (from a quick glance at least) with plenty of reference for flying it properly and a history of the real aeroplane etc, so it isn't bad at all in that respect, better documentation than many other add-ons give you for a lot more money than this thing costs.

All in all, I think it's quite a cool little thing for not much money if you want a 'jump in and go' Biz Jet which you can tart up to be more if you like tweaking avionics. And if you are a repainter, the paint kit is better than most too, because it has two folders, one with Photoshop PSD files and the other with Gimp XCF files, so that's pretty nice of them.

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40 minutes ago, Chock said:

Well, it's not exactly Concorde lol,  if you know how to fly one jet, then this one ain't too different, but, that's another good point of this add-on, you get two manuals. One is a 34 page Tutorial Flight from KEYW to KRDU and includes a full cold and dark start up, how to program the FMC, set the V-speeds, taxy it, take it off the deck, fly it in cruise, land it etc. The other manual is a 127 page User Manual, and they are both very nicely laid out and look fairly well written (from a quick glance at least) with plenty of reference for flying it properly and a history of the real aeroplane etc, so it isn't bad at all in that respect, better documentation than many other add-ons give you for a lot more money than this thing costs.

All in all, I think it's quite a cool little thing for not much money if you want a 'jump in and go' Biz Jet which you can tart up to be more if you like tweaking avionics. And if you are a repainter, the paint kit is better than most too, because it has two folders, one with Photoshop PSD files and the other with Gimp XCF files, so that's pretty nice of them.

Good to hear that it has a tutorial flight, I find that a tutorial flight is the best way to learn any aircraft. And after going through that I turn to Youtube to see how others do it.

 

I recently bought the Carenado Phenom 100. Lovely little jet, but learning to program that GTN1000 takes a lot of time and effort. Had I known, I may not have bothered buying it. And it doesn't even have a tutorial flight. I used to have the Eaglesoft Cessna Citation X but when I moved to P3Dv4, I had to discard it, hence my reasons for buying the Phenom. If I'm being brutally honest, I bought it mostly because the cockpit "looks" nice lol.

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1 hour ago, Chock said:

Well, it's not exactly Concorde lol,  if you know how to fly one jet, then this one ain't too different, but, that's another good point of this add-on, you get two manuals. One is a 34 page Tutorial Flight from KEYW to KRDU and includes a full cold and dark start up, how to program the FMC, set the V-speeds, taxy it, take it off the deck, fly it in cruise, land it etc. The other manual is a 127 page User Manual, and they are both very nicely laid out and look fairly well written (from a quick glance at least) with plenty of reference for flying it properly and a history of the real aeroplane etc, so it isn't bad at all in that respect, better documentation than many other add-ons give you for a lot more money than this thing costs.

All in all, I think it's quite a cool little thing for not much money if you want a 'jump in and go' Biz Jet which you can tart up to be more if you like tweaking avionics. And if you are a repainter, the paint kit is better than most too, because it has two folders, one with Photoshop PSD files and the other with Gimp XCF files, so that's pretty nice of them.

Alan, how would you rate the sound?  It's hard to tell from the video.

 

Bob

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On 9/22/2017 at 5:46 PM, FSXtreme said:

Alan, how would you rate the sound?  It's hard to tell from the video.

Bob

Tell you what Bob, just for you, I'll let you be the judge... I did this little vid for you to compare it to the real thing, it's even the same aeroplane, from the same distance and angles, on start up and taxy past. See the two vids below, go to about 39 seconds for the real thing starting up and taxying past, then check mine out. I'd say they got it pretty good, sounds to me like it has the same tube howl on the start up and it has the same high whine when it revs up as the real FJ44:

 

 

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I have just read through the Tutorial Flight PDF and can confirm that it is very well written, nicely laid out and very comprehensive, even covering how to shut the thing down properly for long periods on the tarmac, and it even covers how to sort out missing waypoints in your sim's database should that occur, by adding them manually, which is a nice touch and is indicative of the level of care with which the tutorial is written.

Oh and I forgot to mention there is a third PDF which comes with the thing which is an eight pager, comprising numerous checklists for each phase of a flight which are nicely laid out and would look good printed if you want real paper checklists.

Overall it's really a very good add-on for the price, I like it and I would recommend it. I think it is gonna be joining my Air Hauler 2 fleet, and not every add-on aeroplane I buy does that, so you can regard that as high praise from me. If you ever look on the AH2 radar and see who is flying what, you can expect to see me zipping around Europe in this thing soon, as with just over 2,000 miles of range, it's going to be ideal for private charter flights with ten passengers.

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On 9/22/2017 at 6:47 AM, Chock said:

Okay, decided to 'take one for the team' and buy it lol.

Thanks for going above and beyond. Your video was informative but it still looks like it was made for Wii.

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Yup, it's not up there with the best as far as cockpit texturing goes, but as noted, that is something which can be sorted by anyone who cares to have a go at it. What matters more to me is that it all works and does what it says on the tin for a very fair price. I'll be the first to admit that Carenado and Alabeo make the lookers when it comes to GA stuff and smaller gas turbine aeroplanes, but they let themselves down with silly mistakes and not quite so great engine and avionics modeling, so I only really trust them when they make simple stuff with normally aspirated engines, such as their Piper Tomahawk and their little crop duster aeroplanes, which are excellent. Of the two situations, I'd rather have a plane that works as it should, which I can tart up visually myself, than one which looks great but needs work on the flight model, engine model or avionics, as that is not quite such an easy fix for the end user, and in many case not fixable at all. Of course screenshots make great sales material, and this works in Carenado and Alabeo's favour, but I want something which flies right as well. I could have bought Carenado's Citation for about ten quid more than this one, but I chose not to.

A case in point is the Alabeo Cessna C441 Conquest II, and the Fly Sim Ware Cessna C441 Conquest II. Both developers made the same aeroplane, both made it for FSX and P3D, and I bought them both (in fact I also bought the Flight 1 FSX/FS9 Cessna C441 too years ago, so I've got three of em). The Alabeo and the Fly Sim Ware ones were both exactly the same price (27,99 from Just flight's online store). Of the two, the Alabeo one is by far the best looking (albeit with a couple of stupid typos on the placarding in the VC and its tool tips), it's a beautifully textured model; conversely the Fly Sim Ware one is not the greatest as far as texturing goes (it'[s okay, but not a patch on the Alabeo one in the looks department, but it has the avionics and engine modeling spot on, whereas the Alabeo one is terrible in that respect, damn near unflyable in fact.

Take a wild guess which of those C441s is in my Air Hauler 2 fleet and gets regular outings and earns its keep with my AH2 airline, and which one is a hangar queen?

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You're right about the good quality of the sound on this bizjet, Alen.  It is pretty amazing.  Thank you for taking the trouble of comparing those videos.

 

Bob

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The short answer is: yes it has FLC, no it doesn't have VNAV. The longer answer is...

The aircraft uses a licensed version of Eric Marciano's Easy FMC, so that is of course somewhat simplified, however if you know that add-on, you will know it is largely the tedious stuff which you don't have to put in which Easy FMC does not have, in most respects it works the same as a functional FMC and of course has the advantage of being slaved to the built in nav aid database, so there is no need for any nav aid updating although the developers are looking into the possibility of enhancing that, but you have to bear in mind that Easy FMC is essentially a different graphical representation of the default GPS rather than an actual FMC. However, if you are into DIY fixes, this does not mean you cannot put a fully functional FMC into the thing if you like, because you could always stick the ISG Honeywell/King GNSXLS FMS and Collins Proline 4 gauges in it (if you have those) and then it certainly would do SIDS, STARS and VNAV. I do have those ISG gauges, but I've been happy enough with this aeroplane and its default functions to not really be bothered about doing that, as it is very nice as it comes, and I always fly SIDS and STARS manually off a chart anyway, since I like actually driving the aeroplane myself lol.

So as it stands, you can put a flight plan in manually or have it read the sim's current flight plan, which is what I like, i.e. both options. But, you are not going to be using SIDS or STARS unless you manually put them into your flight plan, which can of course be done, but not via the CDU itself.

By default, FLC, does function properly but VNAV is non functional in this bird, so you have to use other methods to fly that, i.e. on the MCP alt, which is no big deal to me since ATC are normally getting you to use the MCP anyway, so that's often what I'll use on things like the 737 etc. The autopilot will do both V/S (up to +/- 8000fpm if you are mental enough to go for that rate lol) and it will capture altitudes too, so whilst there is a bit more work than simply hitting VNAV and doing a crossword puzzle while the TCAS takes care of looking out of the window for you, it is entirely possible to fly any VNAV profile you like, just not fully automatically.

At the end of the day, the add-on costs 20 quid, so its functionality is commensurate with that price point, although having said that, I've really taken to this thing a lot and have been using it for charter flights around Europe in Air Hauler 2, and it is great fun for that kind of thing.

I've got two of them in my AH2 fleet, one which I use for ad-hoc charters myself, the other is employed on a scheduled passenger timetable between EGGP and LFPB which comprises ten flights per day, seven days a week, so the little CJ4 is flying its word not allowed off in my sim world lol.

That schedule with just one of the CJ4s brings in around 4 million Dollars a month, it is flown by three of my AI pilots, so the little Citation paid for itself within less than three weeks in AH2, since its acquisition cost in AH2 is 2.4 million and the overheads for that operation between Liverpool and Paris in total are less than 85,000 per month all in, including the pilot's wages, maintenance, base costs, insurance etc. Thus it is one of the most cost-effective aeroplanes I've ever used in AH2 and a very quick and inexpensive way to make cash, and it is very nice to fly too and looks cool as well. I'm going acquire another one and put that one on a round trip route from EGGP to LEAM soon, which will mean I've got three of them, two of which will be pulling in about 10 million per month between them for monthly costs of less than 200,000 whilst the other one sits there for whenever I fancy doing a flight in it.


 

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Thanks for the reply Chock! Does it give you the option to climb in mach speeds or just IAS? Is the FADEC represented well?

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From the manual:

FLC Button

Depressing the FLC (flight level change) button engages syncing to the current airspeed/mach. The speed reference can then be changed with the SPEED knob. Pushing the FLC switch again disengages the mode. 
 
Speed Knob

The rotary SPEED knob changes the IAS/Mach speed reference (FLC mode). The speed knob changes the Airspeed or Mach bug at any time. The integral PUSH IAS/MACH button within the SPEED knob toggles the airspeed control between IAS and Mach. 
 
V/S & ALT Button & DOWN/UP Wheel 


The VS and ALT switches select both vertical speed mode and altitude capturing mode. When activated, the system maintains the vertical speed reference and the FD holds the selected altitude. After mode selection, rotation of the DOWN/UP wheel slews the vertical speed reference in the direction of knob rotation. Range is ±8000 fpm. 
 
ALT SEL Knob

A preselected altitude is set via the ALT rotary knob. The altitude preselect mode provides a means for FD/AP to climb or descend to a preselected altitude and then level off and maintain the preselected altitude. 
 

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On 18/10/2017 at 9:44 AM, Chock said:

I'm going acquire another one and put that one on a round trip route from EGGP to LEAM soon, which will mean I've got three of them,

Excuse my ignorance Alan as I don't have Air Hauler 2, but am I correct in assuming that you didn't actually have to buy the NXGN CJ4X three times, but rather that you assigned the one that you bought as three different aircraft within your AH2 fleet. 

I have never really thought about or looked at AH2 as over the years I have bought various utility type addons which I have never really used much and I thought this might just be another one of those, but reading your various comments here makes it sound like an interesting addon that you seem to use a lot and I am now tempted!

My apologies for sideslipping slightly off topic!

Bill

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1 hour ago, scianoir said:

Excuse my ignorance Alan as I don't have Air Hauler 2, but am I correct in assuming that you didn't actually have to buy the NXGN CJ4X three times, but rather that you assigned the one that you bought as three different aircraft within your AH2 fleet. 

I have never really thought about or looked at AH2 as over the years I have bought various utility type addons which I have never really used much and I thought this might just be another one of those, but reading your various comments here makes it sound like an interesting addon that you seem to use a lot and I am now tempted!

My apologies for sideslipping slightly off topic!

Bill

Yup, it gives your flights a lot of purpose and makes simming into a bit of a challenge too, well kind of anyway, at least it lends another facet to it. Yup you are correct, any aeroplanes you have installed in your sim can be 'bought' by your Air Hauler airline, so you could buy loads of them if you wanted to, although I usually either buy things with different liveries or make my own for them. You can fit them out as either cargo or passenger aircraft.

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Thanks for clarifying that Alan - I always like the idea of products that give flights a purpose. I've read the information on AH2 available on the Just Flight product page and it looks as if it could become quite time consuming in itself if you become involved in it in any great detail! However I quite like the concept of this and may well give it a go. Hopefully it doesn't have much of a resource/performance impact and more importantly I hope using it won't intrude too much into my actual flying time!

Bill

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Nah, you can leave it for weeks and dip back into it or go at it like crazy, either way works.

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Does AH2 work well for smaller aircraft like the Turbine Duke or a King Air?  I like to fly small cargo and passenger routes.  I am, honestly, not much on mission add-ons but, maybe, it'd be worth a try.

 

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13 hours ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

Does AH2 work well for smaller aircraft like the Turbine Duke or a King Air?  I like to fly small cargo and passenger routes.  I am, honestly, not much on mission add-ons but, maybe, it'd be worth a try.

 

Yup, although your airline would of course make less money per flight than if you were flying the kind of cargo or passengers a 747 could hold, but you can set the size of jobs it generates and the size of airports it uses in the options to make it do stuff appropriate to your fleet, and of course you could set up passenger routes for your smaller aeroplanes, and the operating costs for a smaller aeroplane into smaller airports would of course be less. After all, I am using this CJ4 on a passenger route I've created between Liverpool and Paris which takes ten passengers per flight, and that's less capacity than a King Air, but since it flies ten flights per day seven days a week and I've set the ticket price at 300 dollars, it still makes a lot of money.

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2 hours ago, Chock said:

Yup, although your airline would of course make less money per flight than if you were flying the kind of cargo or passengers a 747 could hold, but you can set the size of jobs it generates and the size of airports it uses in the options to make it do stuff appropriate to your fleet, and of course you could set up passenger routes for your smaller aeroplanes, and the operating costs for a smaller aeroplane into smaller airports would of course be less. After all, I am using this CJ4 on a passenger route I've created between Liverpool and Paris which takes ten passengers per flight, and that's less capacity than a King Air, but since it flies ten flights per day seven days a week and I've set the ticket price at 300 dollars, it still makes a lot of money.

Verrrry interestingggg.  You say 'it flies ten flights per day seven days a week'...um...you do that?  They have a demo?

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