December 13, 20178 yr Rob McCarthy at Lockheed Martin is reporting that the 12 Dec 17 update (KB4054517) to Win 10 version 1709 (Fall Creator's Edition) has finally solved the "Error creating child window" problem on 32-bit versions of P3D running under Win 10 64. Any other experiences (good or bad) after installing this update? Are FSX, FSX-SE, and/or P3Dv3 working again after several months of butt pain surrounding these errant Win 10 updates? Inquiring minds want to know... Regards Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
December 13, 20178 yr I downloaded and installed this afternoon and immediately ran a flight in the PMDG737 from FSDT KLAX to FB KSFO. Previously, I got an almost immediate creating child window crash while the 737 was loading. If not, I clicked on the FMC and it was an immediate crash. I had also a message in the 737 FMC that the Nav data was out of date. Well, today, all of these issues went away with the update. I tried my hardest to create a crash by clicking on the menu items and the 737 FMC and other things that caused the crash 100 % of the time but could not get it to crash. I did note a couple of anomalies during the flight in that a couple of times the sim appeared to be crashing, went white, and froze with the rotating icon and then suddenly, in seconds, continued with the flight. It was like Windows 10 was accessing the freeze, found a solution, and fixed it so the sim could still continue on its flight. I do not recall ever seeing this before. I always got the rotating icon, the screen went white, and then crashed with the ntdll.dll as the faulting module. So happy to see this update. Hopefully they will not break it again. Best regards, Jim Jim Young | AVSIM Online! - Simming's Premier Resource! Member, AVSIM Board of Directors - Serving AVSIM since 2001 Submit News to AVSIMImportant other links: Basic FSX Configuration Guide | AVSIM CTD Guide | AVSIM Prepar3D Guide | Help with AVSIM Site | Signature Rules | Screen Shot Rule | AVSIM Terms of Service (ToS) I7 8086K 5.0GHz | GTX 1080 TI OC Edition | Dell 34" and 24" Monitors | ASUS Maximus X Hero MB Z370 | Samsung M.2 NVMe 500GB and 1TB | Samsung SSD 500GB x2 | Toshiba HDD 1TB | WDC HDD 1TB | Corsair H115i Pro | 16GB DDR4 3600C17 | Windows 10
December 13, 20178 yr Author 1 hour ago, Jim Young said: I downloaded and installed this afternoon and immediately ran a flight in the PMDG737 from FSDT KLAX to FB KSFO. Previously, I got an almost immediate creating child window crash while the 737 was loading. If not, I clicked on the FMC and it was an immediate crash. I had also a message in the 737 FMC that the Nav data was out of date. Well, today, all of these issues went away with the update. I tried my hardest to create a crash by clicking on the menu items and the 737 FMC and other things that caused the crash 100 % of the time but could not get it to crash. I did note a couple of anomalies during the flight in that a couple of times the sim appeared to be crashing, went white, and froze with the rotating icon and then suddenly, in seconds, continued with the flight. It was like Windows 10 was accessing the freeze, found a solution, and fixed it so the sim could still continue on its flight. I do not recall ever seeing this before. I always got the rotating icon, the screen went white, and then crashed with the ntdll.dll as the faulting module. So happy to see this update. Hopefully they will not break it again. Best regards, Jim Was this using P3Dv3, FSX, or FSX-SE? Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
December 13, 20178 yr Just fine here. P3D 4.1 David Graham Google, Network+, Cisco CSE, Cisco Unity Support Specialist, A+, CCNA
December 13, 20178 yr 9 hours ago, w6kd said: Was this using P3Dv3, FSX, or FSX-SE? FSX (boxed). Jim Young | AVSIM Online! - Simming's Premier Resource! Member, AVSIM Board of Directors - Serving AVSIM since 2001 Submit News to AVSIMImportant other links: Basic FSX Configuration Guide | AVSIM CTD Guide | AVSIM Prepar3D Guide | Help with AVSIM Site | Signature Rules | Screen Shot Rule | AVSIM Terms of Service (ToS) I7 8086K 5.0GHz | GTX 1080 TI OC Edition | Dell 34" and 24" Monitors | ASUS Maximus X Hero MB Z370 | Samsung M.2 NVMe 500GB and 1TB | Samsung SSD 500GB x2 | Toshiba HDD 1TB | WDC HDD 1TB | Corsair H115i Pro | 16GB DDR4 3600C17 | Windows 10
December 13, 20178 yr Working great. Took P3Dv3 out to fly on the Level D 767 and CS757 and the child window error is now gone. Follow me on : Instagram See my Trailer: A Year Of Flight
December 14, 20178 yr Working fine for me. FSX-SE i9-10850K, ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS (WI-FI), 32GB G.SKILL DDR4-3603 / PC4-28800, GIGABYTE RTX5080 16GB WF OC 3 FAN running 3440x1440
December 18, 20178 yr The comments posted here seem to be very positive so far regarding the latest MS OS update. I too experienced the "Child Window" error via version 1709 update. For that reason, I rolled back to Win 10 version 1703 and disabled the update function. Because of that, I was able to enjoy a stable P3D version 3.xx sim experience. I am still somewhat "Gun shy" to enable the update function and let this latest MS update install. I may wait for a while and monitor this topic for further "reassuring" comments noting this latest MS update is user friendly for us who still sim in the 32 bit environment.
December 19, 20178 yr I'm running FSX boxed with 1709 update and all seems well with one exception - feel there/wilco ERJ145. FPS around 5 to 10 while PMDG/A2A planes run no problem 20 plus. I recognize the 145 is old and support is long gone but just thought I'd throw this issue out to masses in case anyone has any thoughts/experience. thanks
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