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Hi Folks,

If you don't have it - buy the Lear - seriously...

Regards,
Scott

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39 minutes ago, Milton Waddams said:

Anyone have their Bell 47? If so, how is it?

Pretty good. Worth having for the visibility it affords from the VC.

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5 hours ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

If you don't have it - buy the Lear - seriously...

Regards,
Scott

How is FlySimWare's Lear vs Xtreme Prototypes?  I know they are a 25 vs 35 so there are the differences there.  But, what I'm really looking for is which of these is the most in depth or closest to a study level?  

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Hi Kevin,

I don't have the 25... This is the best business jet I've ever flown and I've been doing this for a long time... The developer tends to be a bit pedantic - which is good quality to have for a developer... 

Ask (ryanbatcund) for a first hand account - he had the 25 first - then tried the 35 - he had very good things to say about both models...

https://www.avsim.com/profile/143243-ryanbatcund/

Regards,

Scott

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13 minutes ago, klamal said:

How is FlySimWare's Lear vs Xtreme Prototypes?  I know they are a 25 vs 35 so there are the differences there.  But, what I'm really looking for is which of these is the most in depth or closest to a study level?  

I have both. I prefer the 25, mainly because the modeling both interior and exterior is superb and IMHO somewhat nicer than the 35. At 1/2 price though, it's hard to say no to the 35.

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13 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

Ask (ryanbatcund) for a first hand account - he had the 25 first - then tried the 35 - he had very good things to say about both models...

 

9 minutes ago, odourboy said:

I have both. I prefer the 25, mainly because the modeling both interior and exterior is superb and IMHO somewhat nicer than the 35. At 1/2 price though, it's hard to say no to the 35

Thanks guys...so far to me it is looking like the Xtreme Prototypes 25 appears slightly better - both systems wise and modeling/visuals so I am leaning towards that one.

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23 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

I don't have the 25...

Regards,

Scott

Scott, I know you're a big fan of the 35, but consider adding the 25 to your fleet - I think you'll like it. Maybe even change horses!

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Has the Xtreme 25 ever gone on sale yet?  Or is it too new to hope for a sale within this next week?

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I've never seen it on sale.

Some other factors before you pull the trigger:

The 25 is harder on resources than the 35 - a factor if you have a whimpy machine.

I don't consider either of these to be super deep or study level. Maybe I'm just fussy.

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18 minutes ago, odourboy said:

Scott, I know you're a big fan of the 35, but consider adding the 25 to your fleet - I think you'll like it. Maybe even change horses!

Hah - I've been tempted - I guess the two biggest things I've read that gave me pause - was the lack of a 3D GTN and the reported FPS performance... Ryan has a similar system to my 2700K and had mentioned performance wasn't that great... I have a new 7700K sitting in the packaging at home so maybe it's time I give this a try once I get that built... I do like the Lears...

Regards,

Scott 

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Don't forget their MITSUBISHI MU-2B-60 if you like twin turbo props, great plane with very good systems and sound. The VC is not at the standard of today, but for what it has to offer well worth $21, one of my best go to aircraft.

For those of you who own their Lear 35, there is a nice panel texture replacement that I think makes the panel in the Lear35 look much better? File I believe is in the AVSIM Lib.

Cheers

Martin

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2 hours ago, klamal said:

How is FlySimWare's Lear vs Xtreme Prototypes?  I know they are a 25 vs 35 so there are the differences there.  But, what I'm really looking for is which of these is the most in depth or closest to a study level?  

I have 'em both. Just bought the 25 a week or so ago. They are both excellent replications of the Lear. They both handle well and as far as the fidelity to the actual aircraft, the fact that the systems are so similar on both seems to indicate that they are both pretty close. Appearances on both are excellent with maybe Flysimware having a slight edge, including the set up screen. But you really can't go wrong on either.

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1 hour ago, odourboy said:

I've never seen it on sale.

Some other factors before you pull the trigger:

The 25 is harder on resources than the 35 - a factor if you have a whimpy machine.

I don't consider either of these to be super deep or study level. Maybe I'm just fussy.

Yeah the first time I fired up the 25 I heard the ding dong telling me I was out of VAS in a small airport. Fixed it by changing texture max load to 2048 instead of 4096. No problems since.

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2 hours ago, odourboy said:

I don't consider either of these to be super deep or study level. Maybe I'm just fussy.

Yeah, I know they're not study level.  But I'm sure they're a heck of a lot closer than any Carenado stuff, right?  I mean all the systems that are there at least work as they are designed to on the real aircraft, right?  They don't take tweaks and code changes by the community to bring them somewhere close to a real airplane like Carenado, right?  :)

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For anyone considering buying...

Texturing is not the strong point of any of Flysimware's offerings. It's not terrible, but neither will it 'wow' you, fortunately though, texturing both in the VC and externally on any add-on aeroplane is one of the things easily fixed by a repaint, either by the user, or some other kind soul, so it shouldn't really put you off buying because as we know, many Carenado/Alabeo aeroplanes look pretty but can be problematic in other areas, ones which are less easy to sort out, so texturing should never really be your main concern with any add-on even though it might be what initially attracts you, because once that initial visual love affair has passed, you're then left with some underlying substance when it comes to Flysimware's stuff.

Thus systems simulation and realism is usually a very strong point for Flysimware addons, with some in particular being especially noteworthy in this respect: Cessna C441 Conquest II, Cessna 402C Businessliner and LearJet 35A, all of which are impressive in this respect and certainly recommended. Worthy of note here is the fact that the Cessna C441 Conquest II has Garrett TPE331 turboprop engines; turboprop engines can be difficult to simulate well, but Flysimware have done a great job of that, with realistic simulation of the prop locks, test systems and drive mechanism, which is indicative of the level of realism you get with more complex aeroplane simulations from this developer, particularly when you compare this to the other two simulations of the C441 which have been made by other developers, specifically Flight 1 and Alabeo, neither of which get this down anywhere near so well as Flysimware have managed. Also worthy of note on that C441, is options for different propeller fits on the aeroplane, so there's plenty of fun options and they provide config files so you can add TPD avionics fairly easily too. It's a similar story with their LearJet 35A and 402C, both of which exhibit similar attention to systems detail.

Whilst I know the Xtreme Prototypes LearJet 20 was very good, it left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth when XP took this down off their servers, meaning legitimate buyers of it could not download their purchases if they lost the installation file, and because of that I'm personally disinclined to buy their LearJet 25 even though I know many people report that it is excellent, which doesn't surprise me since I know their 20 variant was great, thus I have the Flysimware LearJet 35A instead, and as I understand it, there is little to choose between the two, so I'm glad to not be cutting my nose off to spite my face lol. I particularly like the fact that you can buy Flysimware stuff from Just Flight's store too, where things are often even a little bit lower in price. It's worth noting here that Just Flight get patches for Flysimware stuff up really quickly too, within a matter of hours usually.

As noted, the Flysimware C441 is great, in fact it is one of my favourite FSX/P3D add-ons, and trust me, I've got the Flight 1 441 and the Alabeo 441 as well, and believe me, there is no comparison, the Flysimware one is streets ahead of the other two. Similarly, if you prefer a non-turboprop twin, their 401C is a great choice.

The Flysimware Bell 47G Sioux is a relatively simple add-on, as befits the simplicity of the real helicopter, so you really cannot go wrong with that one, and even if you aren't into choppers that much, this one is fairly easy to fly and affords a great panoramic view what with that big perspex canopy, so at a sale price there's enough of a reason to give this one a whirl. In all honesty, it's no Dodosim Bell JetRanger in terms of super realism, but then again, few other add-on choppers can match that one, so for a bit of MASH-type fun in your sim, the Sioux is a nice thing to have.

Older GA singles are another thing Flysimware have had a stab at, and whilst these are usually fairly simple add-ons in terms of features and simulation, they are no less fun for that, especially for the price. Ones I can certainly recommend are the Cessna 120, which is kind of tricky to fly and quite hard to land well, so it offers an interesting challenge which does reflect the difference between it and more modern Cessna singles.  Another real interesting one worth having is their  ERCO Ercoupe 415C, since this is one of the few aeroplanes ever built with an automatic rudder system whereby you have no rudder pedals in the cockpit, nor any flaps, since the Ercoupe was designed to be easy to fly in a manner similar to the Icon A5, being resistant to stalling, and it has an unusual twin tailfin layout reminiscent of the Messerschmitt bf110, so that's kind of fun and certainly different. It's well worth the £7.50 you'd pay for it if you bought it from the Just Flight store in this present sale.

 

 

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Hi Folks,

Yep - as Alan mentioned the textures aren’t Carenado grade but they’ve improved with each successive model Flysimware has released... The Lear is really good enough for me and I can’t wait to see their Falcon 50... Personally - I don't think I'd go older than the MU-2... I truly wish they'd redo their C402 to the Lear quality standard - I want a good Cape Air model sooo bad... 

Some raw uncompressed images of the Lear VC -1600x1200 - for consideration - note the 3D Garmin and 3D REX Wx Radar:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgageww7p50fp6s/LJ35Apanel.zip?dl=0

Also - the Lear 35A let's me fly my favorite AirNet paint :cool::

 

ws61li.jpg

 

Regards,

Scott

 

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On 12/20/2017 at 7:05 AM, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

Yep - as Alan mentioned the textures aren’t Carenado grade but they’ve improved with each successive model Flysimware has released... The Lear is really good enough for me and I can’t wait to see their Falcon 50... Personally - I don't think I'd go older than the MU-2... I truly wish they'd redo their C402 to the Lear quality standard - I want a good Cape Air model sooo bad... 

Some raw uncompressed images of the Lear VC -1600x1200 - for consideration - note the 3D Garmin and 3D REX Wx Radar:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgageww7p50fp6s/LJ35Apanel.zip?dl=0

Also - the Lear 35A let's me fly my favorite AirNet paint :cool::

 

ws61li.jpg

 

Regards,

Scott

 

Hi Scott:

Well, I picked up the Xtreme Prototypes Lear 25 and have been flying it around the East Coast and the islands for a couple of weeks. I must say it is a beauty and the cockpit controls are a delight to operate. On the challenge side in my system with the GTN it is very strange when maneuvering in the terminal area on AP. Often, as you know, it is necessary to maneuver for vectors or to join the localizer, so in the 25 you come out of "GPS" mode and go into "NAV" mode, which kicks the GTN into VOC. Then things get weird as the HSI behaves strangely and the aircraft seems to steady up on the course over the ground, rather than the heading bug. Very strange and disconcerting. And she seems very sluggish on commanded turns so essentially you find yourself oscillating around the localizer course. Even more weird I see these sort of vibrations on the descent that convey the feeling of flying through a light chop. But there is no turbulence present. I disabled the stick shaker thinking that maybe somehow that was causing it but no joy.

Anyway, since I know of no forum to discuss this stuff I decided to post it here and see if you or others may have some experience with this bird to share. In the meantime back to the Flysimware 35 which is solid as a rock.

Best regards

Rick

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16 hours ago, silverheels2 said:

Hi Scott

Hi Rick,

Sorry your experience with the other brand wasn't what you hoped for - I know it's been well received by the community at large so maybe it's a local issue for you ? I don't have it so I'm afraid I'm not much help... The two big show stoppers for me on the 25 - is the lack of 3D GTN and Wx Radar - AND - only the other day I read the post where the autopilot only has the default auto throttle ability and not the pitch speed hold of the real deal like the Flysimware model... Honestly - the custom autopilot on the 35 is why I love it so much... LOL - I don't see myself jumping on the 25 band wagon any time soon... Mark has been to accommodating with the 35 - when I noticed a problem where the 35 couldn't fly holds properly - he jumped on the issue and worked with me until it was resolved... I really can't ask for more from a developer...

Best of luck and welcome back to the 35...

Just a cool video showing some Learjet love - life of a freight dog...

Regards,
Scott

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My FSW Learjet has more hours on it than any plane I've bought since FSX came out (just sayin'). :-) 

The repaints available and the mods that Bjoern and others have thrown at it make it an outstanding bird and a steal at 50% off. 

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10 hours ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Rick,

Sorry your experience with the other brand wasn't what you hoped for - I know it's been well received by the community at large so maybe it's a local issue for you ? I don't have it so I'm afraid I'm not much help... The two big show stoppers for me on the 25 - is the lack of 3D GTN and Wx Radar - AND - only the other day I read the post where the autopilot only has the default auto throttle ability and not the pitch speed hold of the real deal like the Flysimware model... Honestly - the custom autopilot on the 35 is why I love it so much... LOL - I don't see myself jumping on the 25 band wagon any time soon... Mark has been to accommodating with the 35 - when I noticed a problem where the 35 couldn't fly holds properly - he jumped on the issue and worked with me until it was resolved... I really can't ask for more from a developer...

Best of luck and welcome back to the 35...

Just a cool video showing some Learjet love - life of a freight dog...

Regards,
Scott

What a great vid Scott! I've been playing it over and over and I still get a thrill each time. I love night flying and if I were much, much, much younger I could enjoy that life. I'm going to go see if I can find an Airnet livery.

As for the Xtreme 25, I found a very helpful thread over on the PD3 forum where a group of guys parsed the issues and I found fixes for every issue I had. Now she handles just fine and all seems to work well. Now I have the incredible pleasure of deciding 35 or 25 on a given day for a planned trip!! Both are great and give me great pleasure. It seems that the 35 has somewhat better range and payload so she gets the nod for the longer trips. What a joy to have two great birds with ability to use smaller airports!!

Thanks Scott

Best regards,

Rick

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38 minutes ago, silverheels2 said:

As for the Xtreme 25, I found a very helpful thread over on the PD3 forum where a group of guys parsed the issues and I found fixes for every issue I had. Now she handles just fine and all seems to work well. 

Link please!!!! Would be interested in application of these fixes!!!  Would be much appreciated!!

 

Regards,

 

hawkeye

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11 hours ago, IAhawkeyeDDS said:

Link please!!!! Would be interested in application of these fixes!!!  Would be much appreciated!!

 

Regards,

 

hawkeye

Here it is. For some reason I cannot just copy and paste the link, but if you click on the box above, it will take you to the thread.

Regards

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