hi alldoes anyone have any tips on how to land - i mean to properly align yourself to the runway on landing a VOR approach only, i know on an instrument approach you for th LOC for assistance but on a purely VOR approach how does one do it,i also end up landing on the grass as i find it difficult to land using the VOR approach.also at night time i see the papi lights but see the actual runway way to late and i am misaligned to land on the runway,any tips?

In the real world, you wouldn't want to try this without an approach plate so it is probably a good idea to do the same in the sim world. Lacking the proper plate, then I wouldn't expect to do a straight-in approach. Use the VOR to get you to a place where you can see the airport and the target runway, then fly a normal pattern approach. At least that's what I do. R-

http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/vor-appr.htm

You are talking about the vor/dme approach right?They are very difficult without a chart. You mainly rely on nav1 and 'turn based on distance'.I read that somewhere a while ago.

Hi Clayton,Many VOR approaches use an off-site VOR as the navaid- and even if the VOR is on-site, it's most likely not aligned to the runway as a localiser is. The localiser's primary function is to guide to the runway in the horizontal plane, whereas for the VOR the approach mode is most likely very secondary to it's enroute or terminal navigation modes.So, as someone suggests here, you should have an approach plate handy. It's highly unlikely that you will be aligned with the runway, and as a non precision approach device you will need to know the step altitudes to make on the way down, plus the MDA of course. The only thing easier than a LOC approach is that the sensitivity is less, so it's harder to pin the CDI :)Bruce.

Not sure if you need this but if you want an idea of what sort of descent rate you need use:5*groundspeed - for a 3deg glidepath angleor5*groundspeed*(X/3) - for a non 3deg glidepath angle, with X being the required glidepath angle

not hard at all. But you must always remember that you WILL have a visual approach, no sitting back and letting the aircraft fly itself to the ground like many gamers are used to doing in flightsim with ILS approaches.The VOR will guide you to a position from which you can see the runway and get lined up manually.If you can't do that, it's time to learn to fly by hand.

please notei do have the approach charts and thats what i am using, i am ok with the descent but the actual allignment i am having trouble with, i fly the PMDG 737

>please note>>i do have the approach charts and thats what i am using, i am>ok with the descent but the actual allignment i am having>trouble with, i fly the PMDG 737I can nly reiterate what others ave already set. You have to master the basics first. My advice would be to try the approaches in a GA aircraft first and then work your way up to the jets. You are supposed to be able to land visually all by yourself without the help of any automation.

>http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/vor-appr.htmI was just going to look for that site to post.I agree.. this is a good one.Manny

only thing that can help you with that is practice, lots of practice.Try to fly a DME Arc approach without the autopilot or the ND, now there's real skill needed (especially in a fast lumbering jetliner).