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PMDG 777-200LR for Prepar3D v4.2

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Have FSX many years now and think that MS won't go forward. Flew a lot of long hauls with PMDG's B777-200LR and although liked very much to fly short routes with business jet I became a fan of this product with its many options to assign keyboards to work as button and it's my very best airplane. I bought Prepar3D v4, updating to v4.2 and would like very much to have this splendid aircraft. If I buy PMDG's 777-200LR for Prepar will it work in v4.2 or I'll need to make any kind of upgrade/update?

Tks and sorry if this was answered somewhere but it's my 1st experience with Prepar3D4 (never had any Prepar before).

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1 hour ago, cirurgiao said:

If I buy PMDG's 777-200LR for Prepar will it work in v4.2 or I'll need to make any kind of upgrade/update?

The PMDG 777-200LR/F Base Package for P3D installer will work with any version of P3D v3.4 and later, including 4.1 and 4.2.

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Tks, Dan

Last question:

Can I assign command to any keyboard button to work as in FSX's PMDG 777-200LR?

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29 minutes ago, cirurgiao said:

Can I assign command to any keyboard button to work as in FSX's PMDG 777-200LR?

I assume you were using the PMDG Options Keycommands menu?  Same menu, same basic approach as FSX.  The controls interface in P3D is superior to the old dated FSX, you should be able to assign and calibrate controls (joystick, throttle and rudder pedals) directly in P3D.  I use FSUIPC (you need FSUIPC5 to work with P3Dv4 64b) to translate buttons on my controls into keycommands that I have defined in the PMDG Options.  Same as FSX.

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Posted (edited)

Does this aircraft have 2d panel?

 

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24 minutes ago, badapple said:

Does this aircraft have 2d panel?

 

Welcome to the PMDG forums, please note their rules ask for our full names on all posts. The 2D panel is a thing of the past for high fidelity aircraft simulation, of the current product line only the NGX has one and I'm confident it will be gone with the NG product update. Time to learn how to navigate the VC Cockpit but if you have a reason why you don't want to do that, other than you don't want to, then please share it.

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Sorry you feel the way you do.  2D is not a thing of the past. And "learn how to navigate the VC?"   I have piloted aircraft since 1969. I don't have a problem navigating any cockpit. What you refuse to accept is that there are hundreds of people that still would rather have a 2D panel because of the equipment they use for flight sim.  Not every one has the fancy dancy yokes, multiple monitors and/or 3d vision googles and glasses that some of the developers have put all their money on.

And you saqy NGX is the only product line with 2D?  Wrong Mr. downscc.   Just Flight, iFly have active current aircraft and provide 2D panels.   Additionally, Of all the people I fly online with, I can't think of a one that does not use the 2D panel when it is available.

And then we come down to people with disabilities that for what ever reason, can't turn their head 90 degrees, can't rotate the view to see what they are suppose to click, push or pull in a time that is acceptable for "a precision approach?"  There are also some people who have optical disabilities. And talking with them, They do not like to spend much time zooming in and out and adjusting the angle of view just to click one switch.  They need a constant visible optic that they know is there for them to complete the main task of piloting the aircraft.

Mr downscc, you may have the equipment to use the full strength of of 3d or VC cockpit. Thats fine. But there are many many many others who still prefer 2D.  I am one.  I would rather concentrate of the perfection of a flight versus the eye candy to achieve the same feat.  The truth of the matter is in search for realism, eye candy is injected to produce your adrenal flow for your happiness.

Now as for my cockpit experience since 1969,  I tell you from fact my friend,  some of the views that are produced by the use of a top-hat on a joystick or use of keyboard........  NONE and I mean NONE of those views have I ever experienced in a real cockpit.   In a real cockpit, I can usually have full view of the ground surface, below that a full view of the instrument clusters,  to my very low right with my head turned and chin a little down, I can see the radio or navigational panels, above and to the right and can see lighting, electrical.  All in plain view without any effort.

BUT IT IS NOT THE SAME looking with a monitor.  And people know the difference. 

I have two developers why they opted to disregard 2D panels. Both of them told me the same thing. "in an effort to reduce the size of the add-on they chose to delete a 2D panel.  One of them went on to say.....   we also would have to incur additional cost by having a modern panel created from a 3rd party. (I take that as meaning they themselves can't create anything artistically).

There is one more developer, which I will not state their name but will tell you they are a British developer that have received so many requests for 2D panels that they say they are consider putting 2D back into some of the models they have developed in the recent past.

 

At any rate, thank you for your reply. And please, enjoy your VC.

 

Stephen Wagner

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13 hours ago, badapple said:

And you saqy NGX is the only product line with 2D?  Wrong Mr. downscc.   Just Flight, iFly have active current aircraft and provide 2D panels.

I assumed he was speaking in reference to PMDG's current product line, not flight simulator add-ons in general.

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8 hours ago, Captain Kevin said:

I assumed he was speaking in reference to PMDG's current product line, not flight simulator add-ons in general.

Don't feed the troll Kevin.

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Hi Stephen,

I used to be a great fan of 2D panels, but after start using cameras software ( I use Opus FSI) never go back.

I setup a couple of personal cameras on the VC and that's it. Can do all type of flights online, offline, etc. without any problem.

You have ChasePlane, Ezdok, Opus FSI, ... do a google search by "FSX cameras software" or something like this.

After try 2 or 3 cameras setup I think you will discover a lot of "good things" with cockpit management flight.

Take a try.

 

 

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On 3/10/2018 at 1:53 PM, badapple said:

I have two developers why they opted to disregard 2D panels. Both of them told me the same thing. "in an effort to reduce the size of the add-on they chose to delete a 2D panel.  One of them went on to say.....   we also would have to incur additional cost by having a modern panel created from a 3rd party. (I take that as meaning they themselves can't create anything artistically).

That's quite a pessimistic and unnecessarily negative view of someone.

  1. It's usually simply that developing the 2D panels is additional effort, and is rather complex.
  2. In light of the above, the additional cost of time and effort is not worth it, given that so few people use them.
On 3/10/2018 at 1:53 PM, badapple said:

Now as for my cockpit experience since 1969,  I tell you from fact my friend,  some of the views that are produced by the use of a top-hat on a joystick or use of keyboard........  NONE and I mean NONE of those views have I ever experienced in a real cockpit.   In a real cockpit, I can usually have full view of the ground surface, below that a full view of the instrument clusters,  to my very low right with my head turned and chin a little down, I can see the radio or navigational panels, above and to the right and can see lighting, electrical.  All in plain view without any effort.

Based on this, I'm assuming you might be a gen av flyer, and you might have limited exposure to various aircraft panel setups. Last year, I ferried a PA44 - a pretty common plane - across the country, and any time I wanted to check the RPM, MAP, or temps, I craned my neck to do so. The 310 I recently flew had me re-positioning my entire body to work with various bits of the flight deck. Heck, even the lighting required me to turn my head 80 to 90 degrees to my left. In the mainline mainline aircraft I've been in - the 737, 747, and 777 - you're going to turn your head and body quite a bit to navigate the overhead and radio panel. Don't even get me started about the DC-3...that's gymnastics just to be able to get into the seat...

Please do not patronize people with "my friend" or assert a position of authority based on years alone. You may be passionate about your viewpoint. That's fine. As your opinion, you are entitled to that. At the same time, others are entitled to the opinion that you hold an antiquated viewpoint. The tonality, and the broad brush strokes you're painting are hurting your argument. To me, though, the biggest shot to the credibility is the assertion that the view in a real plane is a lot more perfect than it really is. Sure, it's easier since you don't need to use a hat switch to look around, and in person, it is more 'natural', but flight decks, in reality, are expansive, and not at all like the 2D panels people had gotten accustomed to.

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On 3/10/2018 at 1:53 PM, badapple said:

Sorry you feel the way you do.  2D is not a thing of the past

Respectfully disagree, brother.

Not trying to instigate but I dont want to see developers wasting resources on this for what must be a very small number of folks who want this.

Dude, get Track IR.  ;-)

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Nothing wrong with opinions coming in.  And JPLS actually said to try something.  That is a whole lot better than Scandinavian13 trying to impress us with his "mainline aircraft he's been in"

LOL.  I've been in a lot of airplanes also.  And my piloting does not come from Gen Aviation.  Most of it military.  Scandinavian wants his ego pumped up because he has taken flights in a 737.  Wow!  did you have fun?

When you get into the cockpit and fly military combat missions in a C-130J come talk to me young man.  Its not an ideal seat for comfort.

And something you fellows missed in my original post.  We are dealing with computers.  And as I stated, not everyone has the resources, funding or time to get some of the exciting cockpit simulators out there.

A lot of people still juse a thrustmaster, a Microsoft Sidewinder, or Saitek stuff this is old.  But they are still in use. By many which some of you think is a few.

 

Since JPLS had common courtesy to not be degrading or try to flood me with "fake stats", I will probably check out his suggestions and if they work I will let many people know who currently use 2D.

Thanks JPLS.

 

To the rest of you, thanks for your opinion and input. 

For one of you, get real. Don't try to prove your point with the fact that you ride on aircraft.  When you fly in an OV-1 over Korea on Christmas eve and your APR-25 is blasting you with radar hits one stage from "lock on" from North Korea, come talk to me.

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17 hours ago, badapple said:

Nothing wrong with opinions coming in.

Correct, however, your 'opinions' are not as much opinions as much as they're thinly veiled attacks on the thoughts of others, as exhibited by your response to my post.

17 hours ago, badapple said:

That is a whole lot better than Scandinavian13 trying to impress us with his "mainline aircraft he's been in"

I'm not trying to impress anyone. I've been up front in RJs, SF34s, 737s, 777s, a 764, 744s, and a 748 a few times. With this listed experience, I can state that your earlier comment about everything being "in plain view without any effort" is false. The back of the pedestal is going to require either repositioning, or a solid core to twist around. I've been up front in the very aircraft you're claiming should have everything in plain view without effort. Your statement is false. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. Interestingly enough, you state this yourself in the very next few lines where you admit that the seat of a C-130J is not an ideal seat for comfort. You're claiming a real flight deck is nice and easy in one post, and then in your response/attack, you state the exact opposite.

17 hours ago, badapple said:

LOL.  I've been in a lot of airplanes also.  And my piloting does not come from Gen Aviation.  Most of it military.  Scandinavian wants his ego pumped up because he has taken flights in a 737.  Wow!  did you have fun?

When you get into the cockpit and fly military combat missions in a C-130J come talk to me young man.  Its not an ideal seat for comfort.

...and this...this is just genuinely unforgivable.

As someone who comes from a military family, I hold those in the military in quite high regard. If you flew, you were an officer. I find it very hard to believe that anyone in any service would behave as you are right now in a public forum. Calling someone "young man" in an attempt to dismiss them (if you fly/flew the 130J, you're not much older than me), taking shots at them for apparently trying to pump ego, and so on - all personal attacks instead of addressing the point at hand - is really just a bunch of conduct unbecoming. To be honest, I know a number of "young men" who have better common decency and behavior than you're exhibiting here. Several of them in the military. Several of them military aviators.

You, of all people, should be somewhat of the pinnacle of understanding the rules of engagement of proper conduct. Somewhat embarrassingly, you then go on to discuss common courtesy, yet your posts are the only ones dripping with sarcastic personal attacks - clearly lacking in courtesy. I provided a counter argument using facts and listed experience. You provided a personal attack and only added clarification after it was asked of you.

This kind of conduct is also against the rules of the forum, by the way.

18 hours ago, badapple said:

For one of you, get real. Don't try to prove your point with the fact that you ride on aircraft.  When you fly in an OV-1 over Korea on Christmas eve and your APR-25 is blasting you with radar hits one stage from "lock on" from North Korea, come talk to me.

Don't play up the drama here. One 'stage' from lock is simply being painted. That's hardly an act of aggression, or something to raise pulses.

Also: are you literally telling me to not prove a point with facts? I think I can rest my case here, and I will.

 

 

Now: sign your posts in accordance with forum rules, please. Perhaps that might re-frame your decision to engage with all of us as you are now.

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"fly military combat missions in a C-130J"

...what exactly would that entail in a transport platform...?

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