1 hour ago, Rob Ainscough said:

Ok, but why would the Gene 8 phase cost less than the Formula 4 phase ... and cost less a lot less than the Extreme which is 4 phase also.  I'm just not sure the conclusion can be one of "cost cutting" otherwise why price a 8 phase board lower than the 4 phase boards?

But I must admit, I'm not sure where the $600 price tag comes from for the 4 phase Extreme variant ... DIMM.2 for cooling M.2s?  I've never had a heating problem with M.2s, so I'm not really what train ASUS are on in terms of DIMM.2?

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

🙂 Is the Maximus XI Gene really 8 phase or are Asus fibbing again? Formula is higher spec than Gene though isn't it, other additional features shoving the cost up. The water cooling for example. 

 

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DIMM.2 for cooling M.2s?  I've never had a heating problem with M.2s, so I'm not really what train ASUS are on in terms of DIMM.2?

 

It does happen. Especially when copying tons of data. They can throttle. Not usually an issue for most, but makes sense to go for DIMM.2 for the rare occasions where they can overheat and throttle I suppose. With DIMM.2 you can install one on each side I believe. Also easier to install and access, rather than on my board, having to remove the top half of the PCH heat sink. Although I do have a slot at the bottom of the board for an M.2 SSD. 

 

Must dash... egg and chips on the way. Three hungry mouths to feed including the cat  🙂

 

 

Edited November 13, 20187 yr by martin-w

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

Is the Maximus XI Gene really 8 phase or are Asus fibbing again?

I don't actually have the MB, only from looking at pictures of it, sure looks like 8 phase.  

Fried egg, chili sauce and chutney sandwich ... yum

Cheers, Rob.

8 hours ago, Dougal said:

I'd be interested to know what mobo and which air cooler you're running? My delidded 7700k will go up to 5.2 on the custom loop, but I also had it at a fairly solid 5GHz on the amazing Noctua air cooler.  I forget the exact model number, but Martin will be able to tell you.

I've got an Asus Maximus IX Hero mobo and I'm using an Cooler Master Hyper EVO212...

EDIT - and I think that's the exact reason for this discussion: *IF* I could go from 4.7ghz to 5.0ghz on my 7700k, what would I expect in terms of real performance gain, specifically in P3D...+1 or +2 FPS maybe?

Edited November 13, 20187 yr by Gridley

30 minutes ago, Gridley said:

I've got an Asus Maximus IX Hero mobo and I'm using an Cooler Master Hyper EVO212...

EDIT - and I think that's the exact reason for this discussion: *IF* I could go from 4.7ghz to 5.0ghz on my 7700k, what would I expect in terms of real performance gain, specifically in P3D...+1 or +2 FPS maybe?

As long as you're not otherwise limited by the GPU or RAM bandwidth, you can expect it to scale fairly linearly.  So a 300 MHz bump to 5.0 GHz is a 6.4% increase in CPU speed...if you were getting 30 before, I'd expect you to be able to get about 1.064 x 30 or around 32 fps in the same scenario after.  So not a huge bump.  If you run frame rate limited, as I do using Vsync and a 30Hz display, then that extra performance will manifest itself as additional processor headroom available to absorb spikes in CPU load, which can make a noticeable difference in smoothness.

That CoolerMaster CPU cooler isn't exactly top-shelf gear, unfortunately.  That said, a good cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 or an AIO sealed liquid loop like the Corsair H100i is one of the cheaper upgrades you could do, and I know folks that have been using their Noctua coolers over 3-4 builds using the same fans.

Regards

 

I for one an intrigued with this never-ceasing obsession with FPS. Isn't a smooth transition sufficient?