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I'm currently running a Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1080Ti with a non OC'd  i7 8700k, 16 gb of 2666 DDR4 RAM, and running P3D V4.4 on a 1tb SSD.

What kind of performance boost could I reasonably expect by upgrading to an RTX 2080Ti..??

 

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IMHO, not enough to justify the cost.

 

Vic

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14 minutes ago, vgbaron said:

IMHO, not enough to justify the cost.

 

Vic

Agree with vic, and OC that 8700K for a free substantial performance boost...

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32 minutes ago, SunDevil56 said:

I'm currently running a Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1080Ti with a non OC'd  i7 8700k, 16 gb of 2666 DDR4 RAM, and running P3D V4.4 on a 1tb SSD.

What kind of performance boost could I reasonably expect by upgrading to an RTX 2080Ti..??

 

 

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27 minutes ago, vgbaron said:

IMHO, not enough to justify the cost.

 

Vic

 

11 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

Agree with vic, and OC that 8700K for a free substantial performance boost...

Have u guys done a direct comparison between the two?

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1 minute ago, mpw8679 said:

 

Have u guys done a direct comparison between the two?

Yes and my answer is still the same. For he OP's situation, the difference would not be worth the cost IMHO. The article you quoted - going from a 1060 to a 2080ti is a different story but for the op - not worth it. He'll get better results by simply overclocking the 8700. And it's free.

Vic

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3 minutes ago, vgbaron said:

The article you quoted - going from a 1060 to a 2080ti is a different story but for the op - not worth it. He'll get better results by simply overclocking the 8700. And it's free.

I must agree.  I OC'd my 8700K to 5.0GHz and she hums along nicely, averaging 70C for the average flight with FSL/PMDG aircraft into/out of 3rd party airports with ASP4 weather and UTL traffic (40%).  Other than adding the 2080Ti, the OC was the next most impactful change.

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47 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

Agree with vic, and OC that 8700K for a free substantial performance boost...

OK, and what would that require me to do exactly...??

My MOBO is an MSI Z370 Pro, I currently run HT "on" but my CPU temps are fine with the Noctua D-15 cooler I have on it, typically around 50C to 52C max, even for extended periods of time, and in high demand scenery environments.

I need to be clear here, I know that turning off HT is more desirable for overclocking, but I tried it once before with my current setup and it caused an unrecoverable BSOD system crash that required a complete OS reinstall, and that's not a road I want to risk going down again... lol

Any info/advice is appreciated. Thanks.

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how about if one was to consider changing the 8700K for a 9900K .hopefully not derailing the thread for the OP.

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1 hour ago, vgbaron said:

Yes and my answer is still the same. For he OP's situation, the difference would not be worth the cost IMHO. The article you quoted - going from a 1060 to a 2080ti is a different story but for the op - not worth it. He'll get better results by simply overclocking the 8700. And it's free.

Vic

Well obviously going from a 1060 to a 2080ti will be a huge jump.  Read the whole thing.

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2 hours ago, SunDevil56 said:

OK, and what would that require me to do exactly...??

Your MSI Z370 M/B comes with a suite of tools that you download separately.  I believe there are a couple tools in that suite, like Game Boost, or even X-Boost that assist you with overclocking.  Read through the manual to familiarize yourself with the features, then run the tools and see if you can get a stable OC.  Of course, always watch your CPU temperature during this process.  

Edit:  I use HWiNFO64 (free utility) to monitor all my CPU/GPU particulars.

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2 hours ago, SunDevil56 said:

What kind of performance boost could I reasonably expect by upgrading to an RTX 2080Ti..??

I can run 8XSSAA, DR = Ultra and DL enabled with any cloud resolutions at 4K res and it doesn't impact the 2080Ti as much ... similar combination would have brought my older TitanXP to it's knees.

It's best to think of a GPU as to what GPU intensive task can one add without taking a major FPS hit.  If you are CPU limited (running max AG settings and/or lots of AI traffic in dense areas and CPU pegged at 100%) then you'll not see much of a benefit for the 2080Ti as it'll sit around 20-30% utilization waiting for the CPU to feed it something difficult to render.

SLI adds another challenge as it increases CPU overhead so if you're already CPU bound then SLI can actually make FPS lower.  It's finding a GPU/CPU balance ... so if your CPU is maxed out at 100%, dial back some AG buildings and/or LOD and/or AI traffic, then increase GPU tasks like DR, DL, shadows, SSAA.

Cheers, Rob.

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1 hour ago, jpf said:

how about if one was to consider changing the 8700K for a 9900K .hopefully not derailing the thread for the OP.

Not worth it IMO. 

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1 hour ago, jpf said:

how about if one was to consider changing the 8700K for a 9900K .hopefully not derailing the thread for the OP.

Don't. 

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well, I'm interpreting the OP's wishes as being the best option to improve P3D performance from an 8700K/1080ti combination. I'm inclined to think that a 9900K might provide better performance per $ than a 2080ti (everything else being equal) but I don't have any experience to support this other than in my case (8086K/1080) CPU0 is 100%, other CPUs 80% and GPU is maybe 50%, often less.
for me I would love an 2080ti but it might not be the most effective method to 'improve' performance. I'm not even sure how Z370/Z390 chipsets performs against each other.

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15 minutes ago, jpf said:

well, I'm interpreting the OP's wishes as being the best option to improve P3D performance from an 8700K/1080ti combination. I'm inclined to think that a 9900K might provide better performance per $ than a 2080ti (everything else being equal) but I don't have any experience to support this other than in my case (8086K/1080) CPU0 is 100%, other CPUs 80% and GPU is maybe 50%, often less.
for me I would love an 2080ti but it might not be the most effective method to 'improve' performance. I'm not even sure how Z370/Z390 chipsets performs against each other.

Seems most people agree that an upgrade to a 2080ti is not worth the cost.  However if the OP was able to sell his 1080ti for a reasonable amount then its a different ball game.  Yes the 2080ti is expensive but IMO it is a healthy upgrade over a 1080ti.  Heck with my 2080ti I gained performance over my dual 1080ti's in SLI.  Not by much but it was there.  With the settings I run I see about 55-75% usage with my 2080ti.  My single 1080ti would have easily been pegged out at 100%.a long time ago. 

  If I was the OP this would be my priority list. 

1. Overclock the 8700K

2.  Faster RAM

3. Upgrade to a 2080ti

4. See what the next generation CPU's bring to the table.

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2 hours ago, vgbaron said:

Yes and my answer is still the same. For he OP's situation, the difference would not be worth the cost IMHO. The article you quoted - going from a 1060 to a 2080ti is a different story but for the op - not worth it. He'll get better results by simply overclocking the 8700. And it's free.

Vic

Exactly my thoughts as well.

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I am still in heaven with my 1080TI FTW3 with an old friend (I7-4770K@4,6 HT off 1,33V stabil)

 

I guess like Rob is saying its a combo . I have to leave Autogen at Dense to have room for the 1080ti to have some shadows in 4K. I do use max shadows and 4096 everywhere (and boy do they look good) 

But still at 25 HZ btw

Long way to go for 60HZ

Michael Moe

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1 hour ago, dmiannay said:

Your MSI Z370 M/B comes with a suite of tools that you download separately.  I believe there are a couple tools in that suite, like Game Boost, or even X-Boost that assist you with overclocking.  Read through the manual to familiarize yourself with the features, then run the tools and see if you can get a stable OC.  Of course, always watch your CPU temperature during this process.  

Edit:  I use HWiNFO64 (free utility) to monitor all my CPU/GPU particulars.

Thanks for all the responses and info guys.

I just ordered a BenQ 32" UHD 4K monitor to replace my HP Pavilion 32Q, so we'll see how things go with that and my current setup, then consider my options for any potential hardware upgrade(s).

My MSI Z370 Pro MOBO has something called "OC Genie" in the BIOS (Game Boost is from an older generation of MSI boards I believe). At any rate, I have the OC Genie enabled in the BIOS and can hit a little over 4.8 ghz when running P3D, based on info generated from the CPUID HW Monitor app i'm running.

Trying to get a higher overclock with BIOS level tweaks and settings really isn't in my wheel house, and I would probably want someone who really knows what they are doing looking over my shoulder before attempting it. To put it bluntly, I know my limitations when it comes to this kind of stuff and I don't want to bugger things up royally trying to do things that are beyond my skills.

I should note that my performance is really quite good with my current setup, smooth, stutter free, and good to excellent frame rates, even in some very demanding add on airport environments, and that's with the full suite of ORBX and the sliders and settings within P3D at very high or max levels, so no complaints, but like many of you i'm always looking for that little extra performance boost.

Thanks again to all that responded.

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You will only benefit when :

- using lots of shadows

- using high AA settings

- using 4K 

- using multi monitor views

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16 minutes ago, mokeiko said:

Exactly my thoughts as well.

Ok not to bash on u that is not my intention but...  Seems everyone is agreeing with everybody but I have not seen anyone post any sort of comparison between the two GPU's besides Rob and myself.  Give some examples, scenarios, data, personal experience to support your opinion instead of just saying it isn't worth it.

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Matt, Nobody has to prove an opinion to you, grow up.

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2 hours ago, SunDevil56 said:

OK, and what would that require me to do exactly...??

My MOBO is an MSI Z370 Pro, I currently run HT "on" but my CPU temps are fine with the Noctua D-15 cooler I have on it, typically around 50C to 52C max, even for extended periods of time, and in high demand scenery environments.

I need to be clear here, I know that turning off HT is more desirable for overclocking, but I tried it once before with my current setup and it caused an unrecoverable BSOD system crash that required a complete OS reinstall, and that's not a road I want to risk going down again... lol

Any info/advice is appreciated. Thanks.

I run with ht on @ 5ghz 8700k. I delidded the CPU and iT shaved of at least 15 deg Celsius.

check this link https://youtu.be/CoUtA7DKXhU for info.

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25 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

Ok not to bash on u that is not my intention but...  Seems everyone is agreeing with everybody but I have not seen anyone post any sort of comparison between the two GPU's besides Rob and myself.  Give some examples, scenarios, data, personal experience to support your opinion instead of just saying it isn't worth it.

Attitude - Don't push your luck.

When someone asks for an opinion, they get an opinion. It does not need to be backed up with facts just because you disagree. You get to voice your opinion in rebuttal. Then the OP can decide to do what he wants.

Vic

 

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OP has his answer - topic closed

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