January 17, 20197 yr A recent FS computer upgrade left me with an old computer to rebuild and purpose for our home "office" that has not had a computer ever before. The computer build itself has been on the shelf for about 5-6 weeks, but worked perfectly fine when it was last powered down. A couple hard drives were reused on the FS computer and the graphics card swapped back to an older graphics card. No core components were changed. The build was moved from a gaming style case that wasn't felt to be reasonable in appearance for a more public space in the home to a different, more contemporary case. I currently have everything seemingly connected, but nothing will happen with the power switch. No fans, no error codes, no POST, nothing. The core of the system is: Asus Z97-Pro, i7-4770k, GTX 970, 750 W Corsair PS. From what I have tried, troubleshooted, and tested so far: 1. I don't think the power supply is the issue. There is a power switch directly on the motherboard with an LED light that lights up. This is lit up. The switch does nothing, but the LED works. Of course, this doesn't mean every phase of the PSU, the CPU power bundles, PCI and SATA works, etc. But there's something coming from the PSU. Other than completely disassembling my new FS rig (extensively zip tied and cable managed, no small task), I have no other power supply to test. 2. The CPU was not removed while moving the MB. The Noctua air cooler was removed (it blocked MB riser screws) and reseated (with new thermal paste of course). The CPU worked before, so while this is no guarantee, I am skeptical anything really changed with the CPU 3. RAM likewise was not removed 4. The front panel switches have been double checked several times. Additionally, the power switch directly on the MB does nothing. 5. I do not have a system speaker to test for beep codes, but there is a LCD display on the MB that is also supposed to report error codes, and nothing displays. Does anyone have any additional thoughts on troubleshooting? I suspect this has to be MB, PSU, or CPU. Anything else should boot enough to get some error code or other information. But with only a single unit of each, all used in the build, I don't have any further ideas how to test this further. I would like to minimize cost in this current system. We're only in it for about $80 so far that was used on the new case. If all that was needed was an inexpensive MB or PSU, I would consider replacing those parts. However, since this will be an office computer, we wouldn't spend much money on this before moving on to a cheap off the shelf Best Buy or similar PC that would serve the office role just fine. This is primarily based on the financial aspect, since these can be had for as low as $3-400. Edited January 17, 20197 yr by ESzczesniak Eric Szczesniak
January 17, 20197 yr Sounds like dead PSU. You probably already know how, but Test the PSU like this video. If the fan spins, you're probably OK with the PSU. Otherwise, reseat the power connections. Richard Chafey i7-8700K @4.8GHz - 32Gb @3200 - ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero - EVGA RTX3090 - 3840x2160 Res - KBSim Gunfighter - Thrustmaster Warthog dual throttles - Crosswind V3 pedals MSFS 2020, DCS
January 17, 20197 yr Another thing I have tried in the past, unscrew it from the case, and try it on something none conductive (I usually use the box off the motherboard). It could be a screw in the case shorting it. I've had this a few times in the past P3D v4.5 MSFS2020 Hisense 50" 4K TV Ryzen 9600x 64gb DDR5 6000mhz, Asrock B650m HDV/M.2 Gigabyte 16gb 9070XT, Thermalright Aqua Elite 240mm 2TB NVMe Boot/FS2020 Drive, 2TB NVMe P3D Drive. Saitek Yoke, Pedals, Radio Panel, Switch Panel, 2 x FiPs
January 18, 20197 yr Author Thank you both. I did not know about the trick to test the PSU. The fans do spin up. Removed from the case and isolated, but connected to the MB does not resolve the issue though. It seems at this point either CPU or MB, but I'm suspecting MB presently. I'll mess with this a bit more, but I'm suspecting this may be left for what it is, as the CPU will still be more than I want to spend, and I think a new MB would have to be a second hand market, which isn't the most appealing to me. Eric Szczesniak
January 18, 20197 yr That PSU test in the video doesn't tell you much except that the PSU is not completely fried. A decent PSU tester only costs $20-30 at someplace like Newegg, and will give you a go/no-go on each of the circuits. Since you removed the CPU cooler, make sure that the notch on the CPU heatsink backplate is correctly oriented and the backplate is not contacting screws/electronics on the back side of the board. My gut suspicion is that the PSU's ground fault detection is preventing the PSU from powering up. Regards Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 18, 20197 yr I had a similar situation with my new PC I just built Monday. It was an ASUS z390 with a 9900K. I came from an ASUS Z170 with a 7700k and in swapping the MB I plugged the CPU 8 pin power in backwards which meant no post, boot or anything. The RGB would light up on the board and the lights on the GPU would light. ASUS had reversed the CPU power connectors and I was not paying attention to what I was doing. Corrected the 8 pin power and it booted right up. Just something to check. Sean Green
January 19, 20197 yr So many things it could be. Most obvious is PSU. If in the UK, I'd say to first check the fuse in the plug, but in the USA I don't believe you have fuses in your plugs. PSU's have a switch on the back of the unit. So easy to not notice it's been flipped off. Although you say you have an LED alive on the board, so not applicable. Something you wont probably be aware of, but often works, is to discharge the capacitors. To do so switch the PSU completely off at the wall. Hold your finger on the case start button for 30 seconds or so. Then switch on and try to boot. This will often send the "power good" signal and the PC boots. Personally I have an Antec PSU tester that checks the voltage on all rails. Cheap on Amazon. Don't be fooled into thinking that just because a PSU fan is spinning that the unit is sound. A PSU tester wont tell you how it functions under load, but that's not a concern for you at this stage. Possible that you have a short somewhere, and the PSU's OCP is shutting off the unit. Although I would be surprised if an LED was still alive on the board, as OCP usually shuts off all power. You've probably already done so, but check that the 24 pin and CPU 8 pin is connected properly, in fact remove, check pins and reinsert. As Is aid, a PSU tester is dirt cheap and has proven to be a very useful tool for me over the years. Get a speaker too, they are really cheap and the POST codes are invaluable for trouble shooting. https://www.amazon.co.uk/DIGIFLEX-Power-Supply-Tester-Diagnose-Black/dp/B004IO5CT8/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1547906597&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=PSU+tester&psc=1 If you get a PSU tester (or use a multi-meter) pay attention to the +5 Volts. The PSU needs this signal to boot. Also remember that a defective graphics card can prevent a PC from booting. Edited January 19, 20197 yr by martin-w
January 19, 20197 yr On 1/18/2019 at 12:08 PM, mulgrave said: Do you have power to cpu from mb connected? Yep, if the CPU 8 pin isn't connected it won't boot. Worth checking also the pins to ensure they are sound.
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