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Loading wind data into FMC

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Hi,

I'm not sure if I'm correctly loading the wind data into the FMC. I have sucessfully activated the ACARS system on the center CDU. It says DLNK ACT* on the bottom right.

Then I'm going to LEGS - RTE DATA - REQUEST SEND - wait until LOAD is displayed and click that - then I click EXEC.

However I do not see the wind directions in the right column under wind. For example a letter W for wind coming from the west.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

Best regards Andreas

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9 minutes ago, 737Andi said:

Hi,

I'm not sure if I'm correctly loading the wind data into the FMC. I have sucessfully activated the ACARS system on the center CDU. It says DLNK ACT* on the bottom right.

Then I'm going to LEGS - RTE DATA - REQUEST SEND - wait until LOAD is displayed and click that - then I click EXEC.

However I do not see the wind directions in the right column under wind. For example a letter W for wind coming from the west.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

Best regards Andreas

Having read your two posts so far tonight, one in another thread re:engaging the AP, may I kindly ask have you done the Tutorial or read up on the relevant Manuals that accompany this aircraft? Because the answers are all there.

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Actually I have read through several manuals and watched several videos so far and the posted questions were simply left over.


Instead of wasting your time by rebuking me to read manuals, what I have already done, you could have been so kind and help me with my problem instead.

Nevertheless I hope someone else will be so kind and answer my question decently. 

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33 minutes ago, 737Andi said:

rebuking

I take it you do know the difference between a rebuke and

55 minutes ago, vc10man said:

may I kindly ask

seeing you have posted numerous questions tonight and previously like confetti

35 minutes ago, 737Andi said:

manuals, what I have already done

And if you had already done so, then the answers you seek are right there.

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1 hour ago, vc10man said:Having read your two posts so far tonight, one in another thread re:engaging the AP, may I kindly ask have you done the Tutorial or read up on the relevant Manuals that accompany this aircraft? Because the answers are all there.

Rick, this post is a complete waste of time. Last I checked this was a user to user HELP forum, not an opportunity to make yourself feel better for having known the answer and not giving it. 

For what it’s worth to 5he original poster, from memory that is correct, it’s just a case of selecting ‘data’ at the end of the process you described above. 

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20 minutes ago, johnnycrockett said:

 

Rick, this post is a complete waste of time. Last I checked this was a user to user HELP forum, not an opportunity to make yourself feel better for having known the answer and not giving it. 

For what it’s worth to 5he original poster, from memory that is correct, it’s just a case of selecting ‘data’ at the end of the process you described above. 

Oh I see, if I am far too lazy to read a Manual that has all the answers I seek, I just toss the problem I am having to this 'user to user HELP forum, and somebody else will do all the donkey work for me, eh? Nice one. You sort out his plethora of questions then!

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18 minutes ago, johnnycrockett said:

 

Rick, this post is a complete waste of time. Last I checked this was a user to user HELP forum, not an opportunity to make yourself feel better for having known the answer and not giving it. 

For what it’s worth to 5he original poster, from memory that is correct, it’s just a case of selecting ‘data’ at the end of the process you described above. 

questions of that kind appear all the time on this forum and - to be honest - there is no point to constantly repeating them. the tutorial flights coming with the product are there for a reason and while this is a help forum, it's a forum of volunteers. And when those volunteers point someone to the right direction (reading a manual, doing the training flights for a highly complex addon) then this is never a waste of time. As Rick said, when you read the other threads you get an idea of what is missing... In my opinion a correctly working addon.

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I guess i found it out myself. Engagement of the center and right autopilot is only possible during landing phase.

You get the point... I was explaining it into detail in the other tread and he completely ignored it. So what? Why explain anything that gets ignored anyway? Then RTM. 

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You know what also gets tiring? Seeing new people come here for help only to be belittled. Great way to grow the community! Nobody is forcing you to reply to the question if you don’t want to. Not everyone is here to grow their post count. 

Quite a few times I’ve rolled my eyes at some of the questions people ask so I just stay out of it. 

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feel free and copy the manual. You came in here an hour ago and did nothing but grouch. 

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I see nothing wrong with someone suggesting another person look in the documentation.  That is Flight Sim 101, and the longer someone is in the community the more you'll see that suggestion.  It is not meant to belittle.  If someone takes offense to that, they I respectfully submit that they are taking things WAY too personally.  "Have you checked the manual/documentation" is the very best advice that anyone can ever give in our hobby.

Again, don't take it personally, there is no reason to.

The only reason I didn't recommend the manual is that someone already had.

Finally, one can do whatever they wish, however they wish on their computer.  But come into the community and post those types of questions and well, you can't be surprised at the response.  It's the way it is in the flight sim community, it's the way it's been for 37 years, and none of us are interested in changing it.

This has only been meant to help acclimate people to the flight sim community, it's not personal in any way, shape or forum.

 

Best wishes!

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Exactly. And if we explained it we would do nothing else. We would look at the manual and then type in here what is written there. Why? Because most of us don't fly this airplane on a daily basis for our living but now and then as a hobby... just like other planes. And I at least would very likely mix something up with other planes and then it would be wrong... So far --> Manuals. If someone doesn't understand something in the manual there is no point not to do that and work on it together. But I won't do the donkey work as Rick said and quote from the FCOM or tutorial. Some people might expect that but when I look at someone's profile and every single posting is of that kind, then I won't "help" like this. And now I'm in the Maddog... YCBS - YAYE. 😃

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33 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

"Have you checked the manual/documentation" is the very best advice that anyone can ever give in our hobby.

When I went through military flight school, aircraft transitions in the military and the civilian world there were folks that would ask questions that were in the manual and never one time did I hear an instructor in the classroom, sim or on the line tell a student "have you checked the manual/documentation?" What I would hear from the instructors was a willingness to help any time, any place, day or night. 

Grace and Peace, 

 

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3 hours ago, 737Andi said:


Nevertheless I hope someone else will be so kind and answer my question decently. 

Was you able to find the answer to your question?  If not let me know and I will be glad to answer it for you. 🙂

Grace and Peace, 

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4 minutes ago, Bluestar said:

When I went through military flight school, aircraft transitions in the military and the civilian world there were folks that would ask questions that were in the manual and never one time did I hear an instructor in the classroom, sim or on the line tell a student "have you checked the manual/documentation?" What I would hear from the instructors was a willingness to help any time, any place, day or night. 

Grace and Peace, 

 

Well, I'm retired from the military, and that is a terrible example.  I've operated with all the branches of the US Armed Forces and I have served in elite military communities, and I can tell you that during my career the first step was always the manual.  Always, 100% of the time.

Background:  That isn't the say that teaching did'n't exist, of course it did, and I am also a graduate of that the top universities in the US said was the toughest instructor training course in the world (when they rated the Instructor and Curriculum Development courses for College Credit... 24 upper level and I forget how many lower credits were awarded.  On top of that, there was a mandatory attrition rate of 80% of each class of prospective instructors.  Then I ran an advanced training course/facility for the Navy while also serving as lead instructor.  I've taught men from all the branches as well.  I think I'm just a little bit qualified to chime in.

I hope with my past comment, which was purely meant to help people who don't understand our community.  It's a good thing!

 

Best wishes.

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Come on guys. Snipping at each other.  Not a single person answered the question really.  I'll answer it but the answer is in the documentation.  The 'W' has nothing todo with the direction or speed or the wind.  In fact it's impossible to view the wind data from the RTE DATA page.  The 'W' is just showing different wind data is loaded into that way point.  If you click on the Adjacent RLSK for the way point in question you'll notice winds for 4 different Altitudes.  As you cycle thru the waypoints the winds should stay the same until you get to a waypoint that had a 'W'.  

Now that being said.  I think you might need to SLOWLY to thru the tutorial again and re-read.  As to the same as the autopilot question.  You can not manually select all three autopilots, and there is no need to except for Autolands.  This is also covered in provided documentation.  As with everything in this world. Repetition is the best way to learn. So do the tutorials a few more times, write down questions open the manual and do a word search.  It you still can't find the answer then by all means ask away.

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5 hours ago, 737Andi said:

Hi,

I'm not sure if I'm correctly loading the wind data into the FMC. I have sucessfully activated the ACARS system on the center CDU. It says DLNK ACT* on the bottom right.

Then I'm going to LEGS - RTE DATA - REQUEST SEND - wait until LOAD is displayed and click that - then I click EXEC.

However I do not see the wind directions in the right column under wind. For example a letter W for wind coming from the west.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

Best regards Andreas

Have a look in youtube. There are videos explaining in detail the use of the FMC on different PMDG aircraft.

Cheers, Ed

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3 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

I've operated with all the branches of the US Armed Forces

I went on a couple of camping trips with some Sailors and Marines when I was in Vietnam so I do have some real life experiences with members of the other military branches.  🙂

Grace and Peace,  

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17 hours ago, Ephedrin said:

in the Maddog

Thinking of getting it, Marc. Is it really as the good positive things said about it?

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21 hours ago, 737Andi said:

However I do not see the wind directions in the right column under wind. For example a letter W for wind coming from the west.

Am I doing something wrong?

The only thing you are doing wrong is to wrongly interprete the "W". It doesn't mean wind coming from west but that Wind entry is present. Click on the arrow next to the W to see the wind entries.

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1 hour ago, vc10man said:

Thinking of getting it, Marc. Is it really as the good positive things said about it?

Absolutely, but completely different to anything you‘ve probably flown yet... there‘s no tutorial so make sure to work yourself through the manual.. I had the Ultimate Airliners DC9 so I felt a bit t home. But it really is a lot to learn. The MCP/FCU/ what ever it‘s called on an MD80 is very different too. But once you feel comfortable with the flight deck it‘s a real pleasure. 

But to be fair, let‘s stick to PMDG here 🙂 haha

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30 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

But to be fair, let‘s stick to PMDG here 🙂 haha

Good idea, except I saw the bit you mentioned, 'word=not-allowed'😀, hence asked.. Thanks for the reply anyway.

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I'm coming into this thread very late, but wanted to offer up some comments because I'm really baffled by the commentary here...

"Read the manual" is technically an answer. It's not as specific and potentially helpful as "here's a step-by-step guide to solve your issue," but this is a user-to-user support forum. I find it hard to believe that any answer - that anyone providing is volunteering to provide - would be rejected so bluntly. Again, I will re-state that every single answer in this thread was provided for free by the person providing it, and from having a look, none of them were incorrect.

As loading wind data can be done more than a few different ways - and simulated on different levels in various ways - I fully support those who said "read the manual" because it is a pretty complex topic, deserving of pictures, and step-by-step instructions. Given that this is provided, I would find it unreasonable for someone to ask that someone basically re-create that work here. My counterpoint would be to ask the following:

Someone enters this thread and says "open up this page: https://www.aviationweather.gov/windtemp/data?level=low&fcst=06&region=all&layout=on&date= , and then go to your LEGS page, click on RTE DATA> and then hand enter the wind data closest to each fix. You might want to interpolate for the fixes between those major wind data points." That, as an answer, is technically correct for the question asked here. Is that more or less acceptable than the decidedly more comprehensive (and understandable, due to the use of screenshots) approach in the Intro Manual?

The rebuke of people volunteering to step in and provide any answer, to me, is completely unacceptable. This user to user forum format means that every person chose to take time out of their day to post an answer. A trainer/instructor is being paid to provide answers - that is a completely different scenario.



You can have a field day debating the relative helpfulness of giving someone a reference to their answer, or writing a novel about the subject they need information on - be my guest. I'll even listen to your Ted Talk. If you want feedback on your arguments, I will gladly provide it. Take a shot at me for saying "read the manual, please?" Sure. One could make an argument for that. As soon as anyone snipes at another user for the answer they volunteered to provide, however...

I won't stand for it.

 

If you need to be a(n) [adjective] to someone, aim it at me. If your interest is to receive help from people, my suggestion would be to avoid taking shots at those offering help - regardless of your own personal opinions of how helpful it is (or isn't).

...and for the peanut gallery: I notice that none of those criticizing the "read the manuals" group actually offered an answer to the OP's queries. Food for thought.

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Having read through all these posts and re-thinking about what I have written, I would like to sincerely apologize for my quite rude statement, since the  answer was obviously really meant to help me further!

At the time of posting I actually misunderstood the reply thinking that Rick just did not want to give the answer, because he felt I was not worthy enough to receive a direct and detailed reply since I have not read the manual at all. Actually I did read the manual but must have obviously missed the point that the "W" is not standing for the wind directions.

Nevertheless I have to emphasize that there are unfortunately a lot of forums in the internet, where new users often only receive the answer "RTFM".
These replies are to my personal opinion not always very productive, because I think forums are there for unexperienced users to ask questions and for experienced users to give an appropiate answer. Sometimes the advise to read the manual is definetely justified, but sometimes a direct answer would be more helpful. Otherwise you could just make a sticking topic at the top of the forum: "In case of any questions regarding the PMDG 747 please read the manual".

Therefore I'm actually a person who rather prefers to give a short and direct answer to a specific question like mine was instead of using the "read the manual" option, which is admittedly not wrong, if it was meant sincerely as a good advise!

But this might be my personal way of dealing with such things and should not defend my wrong behaviour of being so rude.
So therefore in the end a big sorry to Rick!

Best regards

Andreas V.

 

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Very nice post my friend, we all need to try to follow your example!

Best wishes!

 

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