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Is there a perfect helicopter in P3D 4.5HF1?

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Absolutely...not.  Heck, even a Level-D sim isn't perfect.

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1 hour ago, cdv0007 said:

Is there a perfect helicopter in P3D 4.5HF1?

 

No ... but watch out for the Dodosim Bell 206 maybe this year. Could be the one which is the nearest to perfect.

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Unfortunately X-Plane seems to have the best of what civilian helos have to offer for the moment. P3d users are not too lucky.

I am hoping the Dodosim will bring the level up again just like it did during the FsX times.

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Agree with TopGun33, if you're looking for realistic helicopter simulation, XP is the way to go. Or DCS World if you like military aviation. Hopefully, Dodosim will change that with their upcoming 206.

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My previous speakers are correct but I would like to specify this topic a little bit more: 

Although P3D is not the best platform for helicopter simulations, there are certain publishers - beside Dodosim - who have done a pretty nice job, and their renditions of flying a heli come close to reality - at least they are a lot of fun making in P3D: 

 

All the best,

Konrad

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Some folks like the 530. Although, anything done by Milviz tends to be excellent.

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I recently bought the Milviz MD-530F. I like it and it is a lot of fun and well done but compared to the Dodosim 206 for FSX I found it easier to fly (Not sure why). The 530F interior textures are starting to look a bit dated for my eyes.

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Another one is the MP Design Aerospatiale Lama.

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For p3d helicopters, the cera offerings with HTR model rotorcraft dynamics quite well. 

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Although a bit heavy on frame rates, if you've got the computer to do it, the fairly recent (i.e. last year) Nemeth Designs Mi-35 'Super Hind' is good fun in P3D with plenty of fancy avionics and switches to mess around with and it is of course just about the coolest looking helicopter there is too, which helps. Bit tricky to fly, but it is worth having.

If on the other hand you want something light on frame rates which is easy to chuck around, Nemeth's good old Hughes MD 500 (which has been around since 2009) still looks good in spite of its age and works in P3D just fine, with great frame rates owing to its simplicity, which is an important consideration in P3D since it's not noted for having stellar frame rates when you turn all the graphics up, which you do kind of want to do when at low level in a chopper. 

But, if you want a total classic, the Milviz Bell 205 Iroquois 'Huey', is hard to beat, since it flies very well and unlike most Huey models for sims, it includes both the Charley and Delta model shapes.

As others have noted, conspicuous by its absence in P3D, is DodoSim's Bell 206 JetRanger, which was and still is generally regarded as the best chopper you can get for FSX, which made it sadly missed by those who jumped to P3D, however, it was fairly recently revealed that DodoSim are now finalising a P3D version of it, so that's one to look out for, and hopefully fairly soon.

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14 hours ago, Mace said:

Another one is the MP Design Aerospatiale Lama.

Oh wow, yes, you are correct Mace :ohmy: !  Your statement reminds me on a gorgeous heli for P3D we all have forgotten to mention:

The  MP DESIGN - AEROSPATIALE GAZELLE SA342

--> I mean this one can be really tricky to fly and it looks awesome.  Especially if you are doing low level and looking out from VC !

AerospatialeGazelleSA342Banner.jpg

 

During development MPDesign managed to develop:
  • Stability Augmentation System
  • Autopilot able to hold hover or forward flight
  • Cyclic trim effect
  • Doppler navigation system NADIR
  • Blade flap sound effect
  • Sling load operations supported

I'm flying DCS's Gazelle too, but I must admit P3D/FSX's version is harder to control peculiar the hovering part close above ground.

 

Cheers to all.

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On 5/29/2019 at 3:40 AM, glider1 said:

I recently bought the Milviz MD-530F. I like it and it is a lot of fun and well done but compared to the Dodosim 206 for FSX I found it easier to fly (Not sure why). The 530F interior textures are starting to look a bit dated for my eyes.

It's easier to fly because it doesn't handle like a helicopter 😅
Joke aside, the problem lies within P3D, not so much the developer.

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2 hours ago, NorwegianAviator said:

It's easier to fly because it doesn't handle like a helicopter 😅
Joke aside, the problem lies within P3D, not so much the developer.

Yeah that was what I was thinking too but P3D offers solutions developers aren't using. I'm starting to get tired with old models that are made compatible with P3Dv4 but are not really built for it. The SDK allows developers to build external flight models has for a long time. Instead some developers sit on their old models as long as they can probably because they can't afford the redevelopment costs.

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for the n-th time, HTR from years ago offered external flight model of rotorcraft.  it models AFCS and non-AFCS equipped helicopters very well provided good control HW is used.  

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2 hours ago, kdfw__ said:

for the n-th time, HTR from years ago offered external flight model of rotorcraft.  it models AFCS and non-AFCS equipped helicopters very well provided good control HW is used.  

Thanks. I tried HTR 1.62se with both the Robinson R22 stock P3D and the Milviz MD530 using the inbuilt dynamics but found handling to be too extreme on the other end almost impossible to keep it level hover. I know heli's aren't easy to fly and I trained on the dodosim206 for FSX, but there is no way that HTR was handling the helis properly in my situation. So I now I just patiently wait for the new dodosim and fly the 530 just for fun because it is easy to handle (no more difficult than the stock R22 for me).

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On 6/1/2019 at 2:14 AM, glider1 said:

Yeah that was what I was thinking too but P3D offers solutions developers aren't using. I'm starting to get tired with old models that are made compatible with P3Dv4 but are not really built for it. The SDK allows developers to build external flight models has for a long time. Instead some developers sit on their old models as long as they can probably because they can't afford the redevelopment costs.

Yes, that's true. But it appears like very few developers are capable or willing to do this as the product prices will skyrocket along with a long development times. I don't see how most developers are going to start making custom flight and engine dynamics in the future. In my opinion that's not very realistic, so LM should definately do something with their "in-house" flight and engine dynamics.

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On 6/1/2019 at 8:32 AM, glider1 said:

Thanks. I tried HTR 1.62se with both the Robinson R22 stock P3D and the Milviz MD530 using the inbuilt dynamics but found handling to be too extreme on the other end almost impossible to keep it level hover. I know heli's aren't easy to fly and I trained on the dodosim206 for FSX, but there is no way that HTR was handling the helis properly in my situation. So I now I just patiently wait for the new dodosim and fly the 530 just for fun because it is easy to handle (no more difficult than the stock R22 for me).

Same problem here. I couldn't get the HTR to work the way it's supposed to with the Milviz 530 for some reason. Not sure what the problem is with this particular model, because it works very well with other helicopters.

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