51 minutes ago, signmanbob said:

Exactly the reason why I'll be mainly flying Prepar3D and X-Plane 11 for the next years or so.

If it were as simple as that.

I have a fully stuffed Prepar3d4.5 (and a moderately stuffed X-Plane 11). I don't see any reason why I should uninstall them in the next years either.

However, another question is Prepar3d5. I am not afraid of the 200$ for the sim alone (yes, I always felt I qualify for the Professional version). However, I suppose the naked sim will not cut it (again). Thus, I would have to spend another few 1000's of $$$ for addon upgrades. At this point I am at least reluctant if I shouldn't better save the money for future MSFS addons. And without addons I can supposedly even save the 200$ for the bare bones Prepar3d5. The same would go for X-Plane 12. 

There's certainly no answer right now, even more as LM isn't inclined to tell us anything about their plans. But while I always bought new Prepar3d base versions on day 1 in the past, I might be reluctant to do so with version 5.

Kind regards, Michael

Based on their history of slow development, I expect Aerosoft's aircraft for the new MSFS to be ready in about 5 years.

I've been happily using freeware A330s with payware sounds in P3Dv4 and I really hope that there will be freeware ones for the new sim as well.

Dave

10 hours ago, pmb said:

While on the other hand he answered quite vaguely on future Prepar3d5 products (making their development dependent on projected sales). Yes, he properly referred to the NDA, but he's certainly under NDA for MSFS as well.

Kind regards, Michael

That's true Michael about the NDA's, but Mathijs can probably say more about MSFS because more of the features are in the public domain, but we know nothing about P3D v5 apart from the fact that it exists.

10 hours ago, jlund said:

5 years, that's just ridicolus. Even if they they choose to start all, over how on earth can they justify it to take that long, for G..'s sake it's not a whole new flight simulator they have to build (MS/Asobo have already done that for them). I will bet almost anything, that none of the other big players like PMDG, FSLabs, Qualitywings etc. will take anywhere near that time to convert their aircrafts to MSFS, I'm sure the mentioned companies can somehow convert their P3D models to use the new features of MSFS, so why is that different for Aerosoft? And yes, as you might have guessed, I'm NOT a big fan of Aerosoft, but to claim it will take 5 years, that's just ridicolus, yes I said it again.

Well, historically he's never trusted Microsoft as far as he could throw them, so it's not a huge surprise to think they might be a bit cautious, not to mention Aerosoft are a habitually slow and cautious company anyway.

Aerosoft was one of the developers that wanted FSX when MS pulled the plug and was well miffed when DTG ended up getting it, now the fog of war has cleared we know WHY, MS had 2 developers working on FS at the same time.

25 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

MS had 2 developers working on FS at the same time.

I thought about that already, but look upon the timing. FSW was closed exactly 2 years ago from now, but someone with some foresight (even me, look up my AVSIM notes) could see FSW/Flight School derail a year or more before, e.g. in 2017 or even 2016.

Core development of MSFS started three years before the E3 announcement, e.g. mid-2016. It's well possible MS, after initially setting hope in FSW, tasked Asobo with the development of MSFS when they lost trust in Dovetail.

I'll not insist in this theory but it sounds plausible.

Kind regards, Michael

5 years: that's how long it took Boeing to developp the real 787 but I agree that it isn't the same scale of ressources.

Moreover, after a long wait, the AS A330 doesnt appears polished at all beside the fact that, the emergency procedures / system failures have been taken out of the scope, which, in my opinion, is half of the job.

Edited March 12, 20206 yr by GearUp180

In an interview with Asobo last year they stated they were approached by MS 6 years ago and have been working on MSFS for 5 years, FSW pulled late 2018 MSFS E3 2019,  FSX:SE released on steam 2015. 

5 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

In an interview with Asobo last year they stated they were approached by MS 6 years ago and have been working on MSFS for 5 years. 

This would have been in 2014 when DT announced the MS/DT contract and would indeed have been, well, remarkable...

Kind regards, Michael

36 minutes ago, GearUp180 said:

5 years: that's how long it took Boeing to developp the real 787 but I agree that it isn't the same scale of ressources.

Moreover, after a long wait, the AS A330 doesnt appears polished at all beside the fact that, the emergency procedures / system failures have been taken out of the scope, which, in my opinion, is half of the job.

That's not strictly true that the 787 took 5 years to develop, yes it's possible that Boeing took about 5 years deciding to go to production, from the design stage, but for the design stage you could easily add another 5 years. There are a lot of other factors to be taken into account, i.e. the engines, they take about 10 years to fully develop from design, to test beds, to certification.

46 minutes ago, GearUp180 said:

5 years: that's how long it took Boeing to developp the real 787 but I agree that it isn't the same scale of ressources.

Moreover, after a long wait, the AS A330 doesnt appears polished at all beside the fact that, the emergency procedures / system failures have been taken out of the scope, which, in my opinion, is half of the job.

I'm not defending Aerosoft, but as far as I know, Aerosoft never simulate all the systems or failures, they only simulate day to day flying. So they were never taken out of the AS A330.

4 hours ago, pmb said:

This would have been in 2014 when DT announced the MS/DT contract and would indeed have been, well, remarkable...

Kind regards, Michael

My take has slowly solidified to the conclusion that DTG were royally screwed from the very beginning. Which goes back to why a third party observing the history of the franchise might feel justified in being cautious as to what exactly MS might be up to in the longer term.

(Remember the fox and the snake!) 😏

Both DTG and Asobo were already involved in making games and sims for XBOX before flight sim, and both will likely continue after MSFS is released Asobo will likely have a studio working on new games for the new XBOX. 

6 hours ago, eaim said:

I'm not defending Aerosoft, but as far as I know, Aerosoft never simulate all the systems or failures, they only simulate day to day flying.

So you can't even practice and train for various failures?  That is a big reason to use a sim, as you don't want to use real life failures for training.

10 minutes ago, GlideBy said:

So you can't even practice and train for various failures?  That is a big reason to use a sim, as you don't want to use real life failures for training.

Unless there are failures built into the AS A330 that I don't know about or they they update the aircraft, I'd say no, but I could be wrong.