Extremely long loading time with P3DV5

[mc-leod 5]

On 5/13/2020 at 10:23 AM, Micko said:

I had very long loading times in dense Orbx regions like GES / EDDF. After disabling scanning in Acronis True Image all came down to 60 - 90 seconds at the max. Maybe there is something similar on your system? Good luck

Mick

Hi Mick,

I do have Acronis too and very long loding times in P3Dv5, can you say what exactly did you have disabled in Acronis?

[Micko 89]

Hi Axel,

It was the Active Protection feature what kept scanning something in Prepar3d, even though I excluded every file and folder related to Prepar3d. I'm not sure if it was enough just to switch it off in the UI. https://kb.acronis.com/content/60190

If this doesn't help check in Task Manager if there is still something running from Acronis.

Good luck

Mick

[Micko 89]

Hi again,

I do remember now that I have used a tool from Microsoft, called "autoruns" to disable some Acronis here...

 

[Mace 1,927]

On 5/13/2020 at 4:41 AM, Biggles2010 said:

Why don't more people also post on the LM forum?  A quick check shows very few posts there about v5 loading times, yet it is clearly something that is affecting users..

While Avsim is the best place to discuss problems with other users, relatively few people go on to raise these issues directly with LM.

I'm kind of wondering what LM can do about it.

File access takes time.

The only solution I can think of, would be essentially putting SimStarter NG into the sim.  Three pages of this thread and I don't think it was mentioned.  Of course if one has hundreds of simobjects being loaded in, there is only so much that can be done.  I don't own SimStarter but I'm considering it, if it has the capability to exclude individually various SimObjects...

Back in '07 we discovered FSX was loading japan.bgl while you were at Heathrow.  Sure, it was proposed that japan.bgl might contain various items used in the UK, but, there were also a lot of Japanese airport objects in that file as well, which were unique to Narita, etc.  If there are things like that going on with P3D, then yes LM could do some optimizing, but if you are loading hundreds of SimObjects, then I see no solution other than SimStarter-type functionality, assuming it can selectively load or unload SimObjects.

[AnkH 2,266]

42 minutes ago, Mace said:

I'm kind of wondering what LM can do about it.

File access takes time.

 

True, but accessing the same amount of files (AI Traffic in my case) takes less than half of the time in v4.5, so there is clearly something different and maybe fixable in v5.

[Mace 1,927]

3 minutes ago, AnkH said:

True, but accessing the same amount of files (AI Traffic in my case) takes less than half of the time in v4.5, so there is clearly something different and maybe fixable in v5.

Ok, I forgot about that.  In other words what you are saying is, the *exact* same AI setup (similar or same number of SimObjects) is taking a lot longer to load in v5.

Has anyone dropped Filemon on v5 to see what it's doing during loadup? 

[guibru 474]

1 hour ago, Mace said:

I'm kind of wondering what LM can do about it.

File access takes time.

They can increase the loading time, that’s not a problem.
You may not know this, but when P3D v4.0 is released, we have the same loading problem. After 6% the load stops for more than a minute then it loads very slowly.
P3dv5 is still a "beta" and it is not optimized at all. We have the same problem with this 5.0. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by guibru

[mc-leod 5]

20 hours ago, Micko said:

Hi Axel,

It was the Active Protection feature what kept scanning something in Prepar3d, even though I excluded every file and folder related to Prepar3d. I'm not sure if it was enough just to switch it off in the UI. https://kb.acronis.com/content/60190

If this doesn't help check in Task Manager if there is still something running from Acronis.

Good luck

Mick

Hi Mick,

I've do so and deaktivatet all my Acronis stoff in Autoload and with the Taskmanager but unfortunataly there is noch change in loading times on my system.

So I'le be waiting for the next hotfix from LH in hope it will be better.

Thanks for your help.

Regards Axel

[pgde 571]

19 hours ago, Mace said:

Ok, I forgot about that.  In other words what you are saying is, the *exact* same AI setup (similar or same number of SimObjects) is taking a lot longer to load in v5.

Has anyone dropped Filemon on v5 to see what it's doing during loadup? 

I use Procmon (like to know what is going on behind the scene). For some reason with v5, in the middle of loading sceneries, etc, it stops loading with a "Process Profiling" event. Eventually it starts loading normally again. This didn't happen in v4.5. In v4.5 the only time that event happened is after P3D had loaded and waiting for user input. Another slowdown is the loading of 'simdirector.dll'. It takes awhile and numerous screens of loading the dll events. Is there anyway to stop it loading. I don't use it and IMO it is a waste of resources.

[Micko 89]

1 hour ago, mc-leod said:

Hi Mick,

I've do so and deaktivatet all my Acronis stoff in Autoload and with the Taskmanager but unfortunataly there is noch change in loading times on my system.

So I'le be waiting for the next hotfix from LH in hope it will be better.

Thanks for your help.

Regards Axel

Sorry it didn't work for you. It didn't work for me the 1. time either. Somehow the Acronis service is able to restart. That's why I used The autoruns tool. Just have a look here: https://kb.acronis.com/content/60222

This brought my loading time in EDDF / Orbx GES from 3-4 min down to 90secs at the max... 

[mc-leod 5]

17 hours ago, Micko said:

Sorry it didn't work for you. It didn't work for me the 1. time either. Somehow the Acronis service is able to restart. That's why I used The autoruns tool. Just have a look here: https://kb.acronis.com/content/60222

This brought my loading time in EDDF / Orbx GES from 3-4 min down to 90secs at the max... 

Yeah Mick I prevend Acronis from start again but it ends in now result for loading times by me. I think in my case it is the IVAO MTL was made this long loading times.

Thanks again for your support.

Axel

[AnkH 2,266]

Updated to Windows 10 2004 last weekend and the loading times were halved. Now waiting for HF2 and it should be back to normal.

[David Roch 1,982]

Chris, did you have to reinstall P3D after Win 10 2004's upgrade?

[AnkH 2,266]

1 hour ago, David Roch said:

Chris, did you have to reinstall P3D after Win 10 2004's upgrade?

Nope, just reinstallen ASP3D and FSReborn. Everything else did not ask for reactivation, also P3D itself worked without reactivation.

[David Roch 1,982]

Great, thanks!