May 28th, 2020 - Development/Insider Update

[SamYeager 244]

46 minutes ago, Mace said:

Hmm, that's strange, I cannot get google translate nor bing translate to pronouce GRIFFY phonetically, no matter what I do -- lower case, upper case, whatever.  They both just say "griffy" in english.  Am I doing something wrong?

The only one that *might* have been phonetic was the French translation on Google Translate, but I can't quite tell as my French is not good.

It's not pronouncing phonetically but just pronouncing the letters as spelt i.e. Gee R I F F Y although with no gaps between letters. I'm in the UK and accessing translate.google.com so maybe that makes a difference in how it reacts. 

[Superdelphinus 718]

16 hours ago, Thomasso said:

Is there any evidence that it won't be?

The person who is making the claim needs to prove it, not the other way around. Basic jurisprudence. 

[chass32 138]

19 hours ago, ludekbrno said:

 So i still can't understand, why again, again and again someone must spread this fake news about monthly subscription necessary for fully functionality. Many people still can't understand, what Xbox Gamepass for PC means .It is not a service service for buying an additional functionalities in games. It's only one of two equivalent possibilities to buy full game. 1) One-time purchase or 2) monthly subscription, but you allways get the same complete game with all functionalites.

What I don´t really understand is how is so difficult for some to "understand" again and again that giving an opinion is not spreading fake news. You can talk 3 hours in a row about  xbox gamepass for PC that it will (still) have nothing to do with Navblue or Navigraph and their subscription model. We don´t know anything about Navblue and their partnership with Microsoft (probably we´ll get some light in the next few weeks).

If Navblue offers Airacs, airport+ and charts+ I still think it will be subscription.

Cheers

Carlos

Edited June 1, 2020 by chass32

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28 minutes ago, chass32 said:

If Navblue offers Airacs, airport+ and charts+ I still think it will be subscription.

MS calculates a number x, which use the Game Pass and pay more in the long run than others who buy the game.

This number x covers the costs. No additional costs. At least as long as the bill works and the business is worthwhile.

[chass32 138]

23 minutes ago, Deleted said:

MS calculates a number x, which use the Game Pass and pay more in the long run than others who buy the game.

This number x covers the costs. No additional costs. At least as long as the bill works and the business is worthwhile.

I really hope you´re right 🙂

[Wobbie 938]

For goodness sake.... Move on... 

[Rimshot 1,142]

32 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

For goodness sake.... Move on... 

Says he who keeps on posting about the name of the new sim, lol 😉

[Wobbie 938]

Lol.. Gotta educate you Avsimmers, 

[badderjet 181]

On 5/29/2020 at 5:31 PM, MaVe64 said:

Good points, you would be a good alpha tester.

Thanks, I appreciate the sentiment. 🙂 Are you one? I was one for the past few versions of MSFS back then, but no luck this time it seems. Might also be my partly sub-standard system, who knows. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if you were the only one who actually read my points, so I appreciate that too. 😅

On 5/30/2020 at 4:02 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

@JRBarrett, names change for a variety of reasons I suppose. UPGAS formerly south of Cardiff, Sth Wales is now in the North Sea. I suppose after Concorde ops ended it was not relevant.

Another waypoint south of EGCC with a SID named from it - CONGA - was probably named after the nearby town of Congleton. And MALBY (Wiltshire, England) is named after the nearby town of Malmesbury. 👍

Sure we could bring up many other examples of waypoints named after nearby places, but a particular one comes to mind here. There is this one airport with a single runway, of which its both IAFs are called VATER and UNSER, which literally translates to OUR and FATHER. Seems like the folks who designed the procedures thought you need a lot of heavenly support to conduct these approaches, for whatever reason. 🤣

And to add another totally aviation unrelated comment about the video being discussed, I feel like the head and especially rear lights of cars could need some improvement, as can be seen in the very last shot. The rear lights are way too bright, and the head lights need some way narrower angled beam.

[Wobbie 938]

14 minutes ago, badderjet said:

And to add another totally aviation unrelated comment about the video being discussed, I feel like the head and especially rear lights of cars could need some improvement, as can be seen in the very last shot. The rear lights are way too bright, and the head lights need some way narrower angled beam.

The rear lights are a bit bright, as the car's driver has gently touched the brakes. The headlights are also focused 2 inches too high.

I will not buy MSFS until this is fixed!

[JRBarrett 3,075]

3 hours ago, chass32 said:

What I don´t really understand is how is so difficult for some to "understand" again and again that giving an opinion is not spreading fake news. You can talk 3 hours in a row about  xbox gamepass for PC that it will (still) have nothing to do with Navblue or Navigraph and their subscription model. We don´t know anything about Navblue and their partnership with Microsoft (probably we´ll get some light in the next few weeks).

If Navblue offers Airacs, airport+ and charts+ I still think it will be subscription.

Cheers

Carlos

On the other hand, Microsoft did have a long-running partnership with Jeppesen when FSX came out, as the provider of the real-time weather downloads accessible in the sim, so perhaps a similar arrangement has been worked out with NavBlue for sim AIRAC data. If so, there would be probably be prominent in-game branding of the source, which is one way of compensating a vendor for such a product.

But, even if MSFS does include regular updates of the core nav data for free, that does not necessarily mean that it will meet the needs of complex add-on developers like PMDG and FSL, whose current products use AIRAC data specifically formatted for their own FMS emulations. 

If their upcoming MSFS aircraft use the same internal FMS emulation code as their current P3D models, (and why re-invent the wheel?), services like Navigraph might still be required for third-party add-on aircraft.

Edited June 1, 2020 by JRBarrett

[Roman Design 344]

On 5/29/2020 at 6:24 PM, artair said:

1. Voice control

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2. ATC engine

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3. Databases (DB)

Pilot2ATC has almost all of what you're saying, it dynamically assigns SIDs and STARs based on weather and active runways, warns of traffic (real-world traffic that you see on TCAS if you have correct plugins in X-Plane), vectors, gives ground clearances, taxi instructions, departure clearnces etc. What's funny, the voice recognition is based on Microsoft technology and it uses engine included in Windows 10 by default. So Microsoft has all the technology and tools to implement this if they wanted. I can install different voices and languages, that actually speak English with foreign accents. "Yury" voice was hilarious (I speak Russian) but was difficult to understand. It feels so much more real without having to press dialog buttons, but instead pressing a yoke button and speaking "Delta 737, request descent to flight level one-eight-zero" and hearing "Delta 737, descent to flight level 180" after a few seconds. It's the only way to fly in VR and for the most part it works well. Recognizes different phrases. Readbacks can be tough, for now I assigned a "copilot" to do readbacks and tune radios. I ask for clearances and initiate any changes, but copilots does initial contacts to centers, handles radios and readbacks. Almost perfect. I'm sure they will adapt the software to FS2020, but it would be so much more elegant and user-friendly for it to be included in the sim and integrated with its flight planner tha tlooks great. It doesn't have to be intimidating, just change behavious according to a "ATC realism level" set by user and that's it. "Easy" would just advise correct headings and traffic etc. "Realistic" would require readbacks, SIDs and STARs and demand to expedite FL and speed changes etc.

[Roman Design 344]

On 5/30/2020 at 5:34 AM, FS++ said:

This is why we run Multi Crew Experience (voice control for P3D , FSX and soon MSFS 2020) as an external process and not via a gauge inside the sim.

Well, I hope if Asobo will not do voice recognition ATC (and form what we've seen it seems they won't) there would be third party developers, like you, that can integrate voice recognition with native ATC. It should be doable: suppress the ATC dialog, recognize response, figure out what "button" it corresponds to and trigger it. Their ATC seems to be good and sounds natural. IT just lacks the speech recognition component. Using external app like "Voice Macro" that I use for interacive checklists I've done (works great BTW) will not be nice, because the window will still appear, and button numbers are different every time as I recall FSX, so the best I could do it say "trigger button 1", which is not realistic. But if it's as open as they say, third party developer could integrate it maybe? 

[jabloomf1230 2,445]

1 hour ago, romandesign said:

Well, I hope if Asobo will not do voice recognition ATC (and form what we've seen it seems they won't) there would be third party developers, like you, that can integrate voice recognition with native ATC.

Prepar3D already has that kind of half-arsed voice control. The ATC options have numbered settings and one can set up the P3d voice control to recognize the numbers 1 to 10. This is really a dopey way to use speech recognition. It's more likely that third party developers like Pilot2ATC will figure out how to use the built-in Win 10 speech recognition without disabling the MSFS ATC. Or maybe they won't. 

[FS++ 708]

2 hours ago, romandesign said:

Well, I hope if Asobo will not do voice recognition ATC (and form what we've seen it seems they won't) there would be third party developers, like you, that can integrate voice recognition with native ATC. It should be doable: suppress the ATC dialog, recognize response, figure out what "button" it corresponds to and trigger it. Their ATC seems to be good and sounds natural. IT just lacks the speech recognition component. Using external app like "Voice Macro" that I use for interacive checklists I've done (works great BTW) will not be nice, because the window will still appear, and button numbers are different every time as I recall FSX, so the best I could do it say "trigger button 1", which is not realistic. But if it's as open as they say, third party developer could integrate it maybe? 

That's exactly what we already do in FSX and Prepar3D.

Sending key strokes and hoping for the best won't work though.

The reason we managed it is by finding out how to "read ATC window content", something that's not exposed by any SDK.

For instance, when MCE sees "Tune Kennedy ground on XXX.XXX", it dynamically updates the speech grammar so you can say "Kennedy Ground United 641 is ready for taxi" and also gets the Fo to dial correct frequency when you say "switching to ground". You won't hit the menu by accident.

You can see for yourself using this Demo

We just need to work it out for MSFS 2020

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