10 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Then you contradict yourself by saying this...

No, I said that’s what the consensus will probably be, not that that’s my opinion. If you’re going to quote, please quote in full.

I would have, if you had put quotation marks around the consensus.  

Anyway, my bad.  It's getting late, and I just got back from a 3 mile run.  So the focus isn't there.

Edited August 6, 20205 yr by GoranM

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

ts already nice to see the conversation has mostly shifted from

"FSX and P3D ... -> MSFS2020 is going to do X Y Z impossible things (xplane is dead)"

To

"MSFS 2020 looks great sometimes but it will be a long while before its as good a flight sim X-Plane."

You might be seeing that in the XP forums, but only an unhealthy dose of confirmation bias would see that as the consensus in other forums.

12 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Anyway, my bad.  It's getting late, and I just got back from a 3 mile run.  So the focus isn't there

You know I’ll always forgive you, Goran:)

34 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

You might be seeing that in the XP forums, but only an unhealthy dose of confirmation bias would see that as the consensus in other forums.

Pretty sure you wont find any recent posts comparing MSFS2020 to FSX anywhere. (aside from the odd alpha tester breaking the NDA and pointing out in some unimportant places like airports FSX has better scenery....)

Following the announcement the only conversation was comparing MSFS2020 to FSX, and anyone trying to compare MSFS2020 with xplane was a microsoft hater and the threads were reported/closed/deleted into oblivion.

Edited August 6, 20205 yr by mSparks

41 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Following the announcement the only conversation was comparing MSFS2020 to FSX, and anyone trying to compare MSFS2020 with xplane was a microsoft hater and the threads were reported/closed/deleted into oblivion.

OK, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with literally every claim in that sentence. Seriously, the only conversation was comparisons between MSFS and FSX?! Have you been looking on recent flightsim forums or some website like 'Bob's half-way house for gamers who haven't touched a flightsim in the last 15 years but are curious as to what's happening now'?

Edited August 6, 20205 yr by scotchegg

18 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

OK, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with literally every claim in that sentence. Seriously, the only conversation was comparisons between MSFS and FSX?! Have you been looking on recent flightsim forums or some website like 'Bob's half-way house for gamers who haven't touched a flightsim in the last 15 years but are curious as to what's happening now'?

Yes, seriously.

What they gonna do now literally the only thing X-Plane doesn't do better (weather visualisation) will be light years ahead of MSFS2020 very soon™.

Edited August 6, 20205 yr by mSparks

21 hours ago, mSparks said:

But not good enough performance for consumer VR it seems. We need a snazzy name for those still stuck on 2D flight simulation.

How about "The vast majority of flight simmers" as that snazzy name?

I think it's great that XP supports VR, but the current X-Plane Usage Data Dashboard is showing just 5.8% of users have flown in VR.

Those flying X-Plane who are "stuck" in 2D are 94.2% of the user base. 

We can assume Microsoft has done their own research on VR uptake in flight sims and games, so it's no surprise that it isn't supported on initial release. Can't fault 'em for that, considering the numbers. They're prioritizing eye candy in 2D because that's where the market is. 

It doesn't mean there will never be VR in MSFS, just that it's going to be a while, and it may need more powerful user hardware than we have now. 

23 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

How about "The vast majority of flight simmers" as that snazzy name?

So you're thinking something like the "2D flight sim Proletariat"....?

Could stick.

My preference would be "VR Virgins".

 

6 hours ago, mSparks said:

Yes, seriously.

What they gonna do now literally the only thing X-Plane doesn't do better (weather visualisation) will be light years ahead of MSFS2020 very soon™.

Please, was that thread the only conversation comparing sims? And on the very front page of that thread, there’s also a shot by shot comparison with P3D, so it’s not even the only comparison in its own thread!

If you already perceive that XP does everything apart from weather visualization better than MSFS then it’s unlikely any real experience will change your mind. Still, definitely interested to see what they have in store for XP12.

16 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Please, was that thread the only conversation comparing sims? And on the very front page of that thread, there’s also a shot by shot comparison with P3D,

There were lots of threads comparing FSX and P3D just none on xplane.

Thats what you were disagreeing with aiui?

I was the one pointing out back then that Ace combat 7 has better clouds than both and VR. And that was released in Jan 2019. Which resulted in the mods needing to pin a topic to the forum explaining to the x bots how to use the ignore function.

Edited August 6, 20205 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

There were lots of threads comparing FSX and P3D just none on xplane.

Thats what you were disagreeing with aiui?

I was the one pointing out back then that Ace combat 7 has better clouds than both and VR. And that was released in Jan 2019. Which resulted in the mods needing to pin a topic to the forum explaining to the x bots how to use the ignore function.

There are comparisons with XPlane in that thread. There have been comparisons and speculation about MSFS with XPlane all over the internet from the beginning here, the Org, YouTube, Reddit, MSFS Insider forums...

Saying the only conversation was MSFS and FSX, as if XPlane was an unloved child, is patently rubbish. Given your clear dislike of Microsoft fans I guess it’s unavoidable. X bots? How about ‘Laminerds’?

And Ace Combat 7? Well, if you think that’s a reasonable game to add to the comparison I can see how the mods needed to remind people of the ignore function. How about RDR2? Great clouds yo.

 

11 hours ago, mSparks said:

What they gonna do now literally the only thing X-Plane doesn't do better (weather visualisation) will be light years ahead of MSFS2020 very soon™

Are you absolutely sure weather visualization is "literally the only thing"...? (Sorry mods, I know this is getting tiresome, but as the original claims were allowed to stand, hopefully you'll allow leeway for this final response to those claims)
 

 

3 hours ago, scotchegg said:

Are you absolutely sure weather visualization is "literally the only thing"...

Yes

https://i.imgur.com/WatCtHC.mp4

After you finish gazing in awe at the hyper realistic landing simulation, check out the control tower.

If snapshots are what you want you'd be better with google earth, less trees in the road than either.

Edited August 7, 20205 yr by mSparks

On 8/5/2020 at 10:21 AM, Greazer said:

MSFS has jumped about 25 years ahead of XP in terms of technology and visuals,

I thought you said this was light years ahead of XP? The scenery looks ok in the foreground, it looks like a blurry mess from the middle ground to horizon with very little autogen.

https://youtu.be/yeKCuPq6MGY

Edited August 7, 20205 yr by strider1