50 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Oh Goran, it wasn’t more than two weeks ago that you said a) you rarely, if ever get involved in MSFS vs XP discussions and b) you wished this forum was for XPlane “ONLY” and if people wanted to discuss MSFS they should do it in the appropriate forums.

This is your 3rd post in this thread alone discussing MSFS and / or comparing it to XP, and this thread was only supposed to be discussing the news from LR. Pick a position, mate.

If you can’t beat ‘em...

 

I’m trying to make a point. 

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by GoranM

5 hours ago, Theboot100 said:

The worrying thing is 430 third party developer have signed on to MSFS, including pretty much all the big ones.

Third party developers go where the users go, and also drive the longetivity of the sim. If the user base massively skews towards MSFS most third party developers wont bother developing for the minority sims.  It's where the money is.

Laminer are clearly aware and concerned about this with there recent outreach to 3rd party developers and trying to get feedback for additions to th SDK.

https://developer.x-plane.com/2020/07/x-plane-11-50-beta-17-performance-fixes/#comments

As an XPlane user and also someone excited for progress and a future MSFS user, i think Laminer are in for a fight to retain there user base and there third party developer base.

Im not leaving, love Xplane, 2020 is like the pretty woman walking down the street that every man wants a bit of, until he spends some time with her and realizes she isnt worth the pain and money spent on her. Its all pretty colours, it is what sell these days.

19 hours ago, Janov said:

I even had a guy suggest that we compare X-Plane 1 with MSFS because that was the "initial release version". Not sure if that is fair?

Suppose that depends if MSFS2020 came out on top,

did it?

 

On 8/5/2020 at 3:07 PM, GoranM said:

The scenery in FS2020 is, in many places, 5-8 year old Bing data.  I can create ortho from google maps for X-Plane that is far more current.  People are forgetting that FS2020 is using simple, and from what I have seen, non-adjustable zoom level data.  Not to mention the 7GB/hour data downloads for that ortho, which will cripple many peoples internet if they're on capped plans.  And if they're throttled back, which some ISP's do, they'll be downloading at 56kbps for the rest of the month.  I doubt that'll even be possible for the amount of data needed.

I know, I know.  Cached scenery.  But you can't cache the whole world.  For all FS2020's pluses, there are still many negatives, which I will not go into, as it will turn into another MSFS vs X-Plane debate.

Not an MSFS fan and never have been but I thought you could buy the 10 DVD set and have the whole world on your computer?

I can't comment on the age of the data as I haven't looked into it that closely. For now, I am enjoying flying the Quest Kodiak around PNG 🙂

 

 

28 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Suppose that depends if MSFS2020 came out on top,

did it?

 

I’m sure if you compared MSFS with a running child holding a lego model vaguely resembling a plane, the sounds and weather visualization both being provided by the child’s farts, that the flatulent minor would still come out on top.

You really are quite the zealot😅

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by scotchegg

@colins2 The DVD set, which has already been shipped as of last week, contains the default quality scenery.  The streamed scenery provided by Microsoft totals 2 petabytes (1 petabyte = 1000 terabytes.  A 10 terabyte HDD would cost you about $250.  Picture 200 of those.  That will give you the total downloaded scenery provided by Microsoft.)

1 hour ago, scotchegg said:

I’m sure if you compared MSFS

Challenge accepted.

MSFS2020 / X-Plane 1

Graphics:7 / 1

Frame per second: 2 / 10

Stutters:2 / 5

Mean Time before CTD : 3 / 10

Suitable for commercial use in a commercial setting: no / yes

Remaining developer support: 2 years / 30+ years

Hardware support: Limited / Unlimited

Weather simulation: 4 / 1

Hype: 1000 / 0

_________

I think its fair to say MSFS2020 wins hands down on the entire XP series when it comes to hype. 

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by mSparks

55 minutes ago, GoranM said:

@colins2 The DVD set, which has already been shipped as of last week, contains the default quality scenery.  The streamed scenery provided by Microsoft totals 2 petabytes (1 petabyte = 1000 terabytes.  A 10 terabyte HDD would cost you about $250.  Picture 200 of those.  That will give you the total downloaded scenery provided by Microsoft.)

Do we know yet if folks are going to be able to download areas of choice, for instance, their local area, rather than have to stream repeatedly?

Best.... Phil

36 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Challenge accepted.

MSFS2020 / X-Plane 1

Graphics:7 / 1

Frame per second: 2 / 10

Stutters:2 / 5

Mean Time before CTD : 3 / 10

Suitable for commercial use in a commercial setting: no / yes

Remaining developer support: 2 years / 30+ years

Hardware support: Limited / Unlimited

Weather simulation: 4 / 1

Hype: 1000 / 0

_________

I think its fair to say MSFS2020 wins hands down on the entire XP series when it comes to hype. 

You’re mellowing in your old age. Previously you said weather visualization was the ONLY area MSFS was better in. Now it seems that’s been expanded to weather simulation, and graphics are now 700% better in MSFS. Have you actually seen MSFS now?

7 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

You’re mellowing in your old age. Previously you said weather visualization was the ONLY area MSFS was better in. Now it seems that’s been expanded to weather simulation, and graphics are now 700% better in MSFS. Have you actually seen MSFS now?

You realise I'm comparing XPlane 1 - not Xplane 11......

Comparing Xplane 11 probably wouldn't be fair 😛

Especially now the weather is getting overhauled.

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by mSparks

13 minutes ago, philmurfin said:

Do we know yet if folks are going to be able to download areas of choice, for instance, their local area, rather than have to stream repeatedly?

Best.... Phil

you can download and cache it.  Beyond that, I don't think anyone knows to what extent you can keep it.  It may be like itunes.  If you have apple music, you are free to save songs to a playlist.  Once you cancel your subscriptions, the songs are deleted from your PC

1 minute ago, GoranM said:

you can download and cache it.  Beyond that, I don't think anyone knows to what extent you can keep it.  It may be like itunes.  If you have apple music, you are free to save songs to a playlist.  Once you cancel your subscriptions, the songs are deleted from your PC

Thanks for that, if this indeed proves to be the case, then from me  it's a big groan and a big no, no!

14 minutes ago, philmurfin said:

Do we know yet if folks are going to be able to download areas of choice, for instance, their local area, rather than have to stream repeatedly?

Best.... Phil

Yes, we know that you can, and Goran ‘I never get involved in MSFS discussions and don’t want to talk about it in this forum’ Matovich, along with fellow XPlane dev Janov whatever his name is, also know this full well. But they won’t let silly little things like facts get in the way of entertaining rhetoric.

You never know, they might even throw in a comparison with how much time and storage would be necessary to convert orthos for the whole world for XP...?

I love to have discussion about Xplane 11 and MSFS but we can we go back to reality for one second.  As much as I love making Ortho tile. MSFS is not just ortho. The AI draws every building based on the satellite imagery. Which means autogen in the game is on a level never seen before. It even draws facade and roof that tries to match as close as possible to the imagery.   Ortho is only putting a image over an overlay while using XP11 autogen.  So please. Stop with the XP11 can look as good/realistic with Ortho. It is not. It's not even close.

That being said.  MSFS will not be complete at launch. There is many features that will only come later. So at this point , when it comes to flight simming, XP11 is a better sim. The trouble for XP11 is that MSFS is going to improved rapidly while XP11 seems to have stalled. Vulkan does not address the outdated scenery and lighting in XP11. Maybe Austin is saving all of that tech for XP12. When is this going to come ? There is a lot of third party dev that will release more in-depth aircraft and XP11 is going to be left in the dust. You will see an exodus of both P3D and XP11 community if favor of MSFS .  MSFS as all the foundation of a good sim. But it's just that at launch, a foundation. 

3 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Yes, we know that you can, and Goran ‘I never get involved in MSFS discussions and don’t want to talk about it in this forum’ Matovich, along with fellow XPlane dev Janov whatever his name is, also know this full well. But they won’t let silly little things like facts get in the way of entertaining rhetoric.

You never know, they might even throw in a comparison with how much time and storage would be necessary to convert orthos for the whole world for XP...?

You say regardin downloading local areas "Yes, we know that you can" is that to keep to hd? If so, is that a definite fact and where did you get this info please?

Sorry, I'm not getting into the politics!

Phil