Apparently spins aren't too accurate in the Cessna. 

1 minute ago, molleh said:

They shouldn't be expected to do so, in my opinion. Part of good flight dynamics design is making sure the controls respond how you'd expect (in addition to proper physics going on behind the scenes.)

I would agree with you, but...

Everyone has different controls and different expectations on how they should respond, and some people have real flying experience.

How can Asoso be expected to know exactly how I prefer my controls to act and set them just for me?  Someone else will have the same controls but different preferences and Asobo would have to know how to set theirs, too.

Somewhere there exists a "read user's mind" module, but it's too expensive to use for a civilian flight sim, and there aren't that many of them. 🙂 

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I find the default sensitivity in FS2020 to be just fine, right where I want it.  Others will find it too sensitive, even if they're using the same controls I am.  

And for what it's worth, I've been known to do some adjustments on A2A aircraft if I'm not happy with the aircraft right out of the box.  I don't mess with control effectiveness, but with axis stability.  Seems to work just fine.  A2A is about as good as you can get, but the controls I use aren't the same controls they use.

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Edited August 18, 20205 yr by LHookins

13 minutes ago, molleh said:

They shouldn't be expected to do so, in my opinion. Part of good flight dynamics design is making sure the controls respond how you'd expect (in addition to proper physics going on behind the scenes.)

Completely impossible with so many different controllers out there. XP11's default sensitivity is also way too twitchy for me. You have to adjust it for your gear.

Edited August 18, 20205 yr by bonchie

6 minutes ago, Slides said:

Apparently spins aren't too accurate in the Cessna. 

I haven't span 172 in real life, since they are not certified for that, but I did spin 152/150. It does take a little effort to get into fully developed spin. If you let go control  to soon it will more like wing over stall. Gotta hold it at least for 1 full revolution and that seat back and enjoy the show:)

I've seen people span airplanes during MSFS prerelease streaming, but it was just an incipient spin (entry phase). In my book, it doesn't count until airplanes goes to corkscrew motion on it own - 3 and more revolution!

5 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I haven't span 172 in real life, since they are not certified for that, but I did spin 152/150. It does take a little effort to get into fully developed spin. If you let go control  to soon it will more like wing over stall. Gotta hold it at least for 1 full revolution and that seat back and enjoy the show:)

I've seen people span airplanes during MSFS prerelease streaming, but it was just an incipient spin (entry phase). In my book, it doesn't count until airplanes goes to corkscrew motion on it own - 3 and more revolution!

 

3 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I haven't span 172 in real life, since they are not certified for that,

172's can be spin certified if loaded in the utility category. My instructor demonstrated spins in a 172 during my initial private....20 years ago when I didn't impact useful load quite as much as I do today 😄

2 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

172's can be spin certified if loaded in the utility category. My instructor demonstrated spins in a 172 during my initial private....20 years ago when I didn't impact useful load quite as much as I do today 😄

Well a lot airplane can spin. In my 19 year of experience I haven't seen one 172 with utility category. I know they do exist but not in my realm 🙂  Private in US are not required to demonstrate  spins only CFIs.  Most of my "aerobatic" experience were accessible via Decathlon, 152, 150, YAK-52 and T-6 🙂 No local flight school in my area bother to keep 172 for that 🙂

9 minutes ago, Slides said:

 

I'm sorry I don't want to read 106 comments. Anything interesting  in that?

21 minutes ago, bonchie said:

Completely impossible with so many different controllers out there. XP11's default sensitivity is also way too twitchy for me. You have to adjust it for your gear.

XP11 was perfect for me out of the box, P3D was perfect for me out of the box, FSX was perfect for me out of the box, DCS was perfect for me out of the box, IL-2 was perfect for me out of the box...

7 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Private in US are not required to demonstrate  spins only CFIs.

I didn't say my CFI was required to demonstrate spins, but he did it anyway.  He did a lot of things he didn't have to...or rather probably shouldn't have done 😲 On the plus side, he taught me how to be a better CFI by showing me what NOT to do.😂

Edited August 18, 20205 yr by snglecoil

14 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

I didn't say my CFI was required to demonstrate spins, but he did it anyway.  He did a lot of things he didn't have to...or rather probably shouldn't have done 😲 On the plus side, he taught me how to be a better CFI by showing me what NOT to do.😂

My first CFI was pretty bad, that how I learn how no to do things!  LOL Also I don't think I would have many student if I demonstrated spins during discovery flight LOL

19 minutes ago, molleh said:

XP11 was perfect for me out of the box, P3D was perfect for me out of the box, FSX was perfect for me out of the box, DCS was perfect for me out of the box, IL-2 was perfect for me out of the box...

I don’t buy it. I had to half the sensitivity in XP11 compared to P3D. The idea that any game can be perfect for all peripherals with no adjustment when they all have wildy different response curves makes no sense. But whatever. 

Edited August 18, 20205 yr by bonchie

36 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I'm sorry I don't want to read 106 comments. Anything interesting  in that?

I linked you to the specific comment. Here it is:

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The aerodynamic modeling is still terribly inaccurate. It is quite far ahead of what FSX had all those years ago, but don't try any spins in MSFS2020. It is a joke, still.

Edit: I’ll take the downvotes, but as a reference - I teach basic, advanced, and unlimited aerobatics professionally. As well as warbirds (SNJ5/T6 and Stearman) and vintage jet warbirds (L29 Delfin) transition courses.

 

33 minutes ago, molleh said:

XP11 was perfect for me out of the box, P3D was perfect for me out of the box, FSX was perfect for me out of the box, DCS was perfect for me out of the box, IL-2 was perfect for me out of the box...

XP11 and DCS were definitely not perfect out of the box for anyone. I have enough experience with them to know that for a fact.