3 hours ago, W2DR said:

I think it would really help if those posting about the C172 gave us some indication of how many C172 RL hours they have.

As soon as i get to down load it and give it a spin, I give my .02.  158 hrs and counting......

7 minutes ago, Slides said:

I linked you to the specific comment. Here it is:

 

Oh yes. For spin I would rely on serious 3rd party developers like A2A. I know in beta CAP 10 would spin pretty good. And yes I would love to see T-6 made for MSFS! 

Um... Adverse yaw?  ANYONE??  <sigh>

Spins are something that doesn't happen very often and you almost have to force them to happen.  Stalls are something you try to avoid in normal flight.  Adverse yaw is something that happens every time you bank into a turn, and bank out of one.

One pilot described proper procedure as, pretend your yoke is connected to your rudder pedals by a spring.  When you want to turn, press the rudder pedal first, and let the "spring" move the yoke.  In the sim this is almost simultaneous.

If you don't use rudder in banking, when you turn the yoke you can see the nose of the aircraft move in the opposite direction.  If you look straight ahead, the aircraft will rotate about a point in front of you. The more adverse yaw an aircraft has, the higher this point.  You can see the ball move as well.

If your aircraft is equipped with differential ailerons, the effect is lessened. 

Now... did they, or did the not, implement adverse yaw in the release version?  It was not in the Beta.  Make sure there isn't an Assist turned on that will remove it, similar to Auto Rudder in P3D.

Please?  Pretty please? 🙂 With sugar on top?

Hook

Edited August 18, 20205 yr by LHookins

57 minutes ago, Slides said:

XP11 and DCS were definitely not perfect out of the box for anyone. I have enough experience with them to know that for a fact.

OK, first of all, how can you tell me what my experience was with any of these sims? Second, for controls those sims have no problems with default control axis settings with any of the controls I've ever tried - that includes (but not limited to) CH yoke, CH flightstick, TCA sidestick, CH rudder pedals, Saitek combat rudder pedals, CH throttle quadrant, Saitek throttle quadrants x2, Xbox 360 controller, Xbox One controller. Never *once* did I feel the need to go into the axis curves and reduce sensitivities or saturation.

Only with MFS have I felt the immediate need that axis curves needed to be tweaked.

I’d like an answer on adverse yaw too!

3 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

It's really not that noticeable in real 172. Plus most of us step on the rudder instinctively, so it even hard to catch on the videos 🙂

It should be noticable in the Cubs.

11 minutes ago, dilore said:

It should be noticable in the Cubs.

I will have to try Cubs tomorrow. I'm all over Citations now. As for tailwheel, for sure there is gyroscopic precession when I lift tail

42 minutes ago, molleh said:

Only with MFS have I felt the immediate need that axis curves needed to be tweaked.

Aren't you glad you were able to then? 😄 

For what it's worth, I didn't feel any need to adjust the curves.  To each his own.

Hook

56 minutes ago, molleh said:

OK, first of all, how can you tell me what my experience was with any of these sims? Second, for controls those sims have no problems with default control axis settings with any of the controls I've ever tried - that includes (but not limited to) CH yoke, CH flightstick, TCA sidestick, CH rudder pedals, Saitek combat rudder pedals, CH throttle quadrant, Saitek throttle quadrants x2, Xbox 360 controller, Xbox One controller. Never *once* did I feel the need to go into the axis curves and reduce sensitivities or saturation.

Only with MFS have I felt the immediate need that axis curves needed to be tweaked.

Then you're not flying correctly if you didn't change control sensitives in XP and DCS. Especially XP.

5 hours ago, bonchie said:

My guess is that they aren't modeling the need to use differential breaking on a 172 (or any other Cessna) because a lot of people don't have rudder pedals and it'd be one of those things that would be unusable for 95% of users. I'm personally alright with that. The way the A2A 172 was unturnable without rudder pedals with toe brakes was annoying because I use a twist stick on my HOTAS.

Well you are wrong, differential braking works perfectly on all aircraft.

6 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

Well you are wrong, differential braking works perfectly on all aircraft.

Yeah.  I have to use differential braking on my rudder pedals both in A2A aircraft and in FS2020.

Hook