1 hour ago, bonchie said:

No, you can not put your feet on the floor after lift-off in a 152 and not end up way off center line.

 

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Pretending that you were not talking about the initial takeoff roll in the OP is what is laughable. No one is "pushing the throttle in" after lift-off (it's already full power at that point), nor would doing so make you turn 60 degrees immediately as you asserted in the sim. You were clearly actually talking about torque on the ground in the sim causing you to go left and are just trying to save face because you don't even know the difference between p-factor and torque.

What in God's name are you talking about? When did I "pretend" I wasn't? I was absolutely talking about the initial application of power and have never suggested otherwise. Yes, it's torque factor and not p-factor. Thanks, professor. Got me on that one.

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What exactly is your real world experience? A discovery flight? Because I see nothing in your comments that says you know anything about what you are talking about.

Check my signature.

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by mtr75

1 hour ago, Chock said:

Did I say anything remotely even like that? Nope.

There is a developer forum specifically where you can and should report any serious problems you've found. It's not hard to find, there is even a link to it in the flight simulator itself where Asobo ask you for feedback right next to the link for it.

But forget that eh? Instead you go ahead and whine about it here on another pointless ten page ill-informed, entitled, drama queen fest, instead of using the appropriate method to report glitches you think are there, which might actually then get some attention from the people in a position to address it.

Man, and all this time I thought this was a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 forum on a flight simulation message board, where people discuss their experiences with said simulator. Thanks for the clarification!

1 hour ago, Lenny777 said:

Had nothing to do with your claim.  Plenty of people loved the new fundamental change in the graphics and the excitment of moving on from older coding and graphics. That's a long way from stating it would be perfect. Again, you take claims of excitment to claims of perfection. Stop conflating.

Oh, no, no, no, good sir - plenty, and I mean plenty of people were crowing on the P3D boards after v5 was released about MSFS being absolutely flawless on release. Their entire point was that it wouldn't be like the P3Dv5 release was. And guess what? It's exactly like the P3Dv5 release was.

22 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

 

What in God's name are you talking about? When did I "pretend" I wasn't? I was absolutely talking about the initial application of power and have never suggested otherwise. Yes, it's torque factor and not p-factor. Thanks, professor. Got me on that one.

Check my signature.

Amazingly, as demonstrated by several others in this thread with experience, you are the only one that finds a 152 will climb straight ahead with no rudder after rotation. You are also the only one who finds that a 152 will not veer left when power is applied on the ground with no rudder correction. Those are both claims I've countered and your only argument is to post pictures of straw men even though I'm countering your direct assertions. 

Whoever your CFI was, I feel for them. 

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by bonchie

16 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

Man, and all this time I thought this was a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 forum on a flight simulation message board, where people discuss their experiences with said simulator. Thanks for the clarification!

Once again, I direct you to my comment being in response to 'we need more reports like this', with the emphasis on report, not discussion. Discuss away, that's what the forum is for, but unless you also report things to the appropriate place, it will be all for nought.

6 minutes ago, bonchie said:

Amazingly, as demonstrated by several others in this thread with experience, you are the only one that finds a 152 will climb straight ahead with no rudder after rotation.

3 hours ago, mtr75 said:

In a real 152 you can basically put your feet on the floor after liftoff.

I'm not sure what kind of 152 you've flown, but one of my biggest issues in flight school was veering to the left after takeoff because I didn't give enough right rudder. Rudder input on climb feels decent to me. On the ground it seems overdone. My only major complaint is taildraggers, which have had bad ground handling in every iteration of flight simulator and are impossible to ground loop.

I rest my case. 

34 minutes ago, Chock said:

Once again, I direct you to my comment being in response to 'we need more reports like this', with the emphasis on report, not discussion. Discuss away, that's what the forum is for, but unless you also report things to the appropriate place, it will be all for nought.

Ah, semantics. Understood. Well this is a bit better of an explanation than "no we don't." Perhaps if you had been more specific the first time.

26 minutes ago, bonchie said:

I rest my case. 

Thank you, on behalf of all of us.

38 minutes ago, bonchie said:

You are also the only one who finds that a 152 will not veer left when power is applied on the ground with no rudder correction.

1 minute ago, mtr75 said:

Thank you, on behalf of all of us.

Nah, it's everyone else who is asking you what the heck you are talking about. But you keep posting pictures. 

40 minutes ago, bonchie said:

Whoever your CFI was, I feel for them. 

My CFI hasn't had a single student fail a checkride in the nearly 50 years he's been teaching. He's a Master CFI and has been in Rod Machado ads for years. Nice try though. I guess after you run out of strawmen, ad hominems are next.

2 minutes ago, bonchie said:

Nah, it's everyone else who is asking you what the heck you are talking about. But you keep posting pictures. 

Keep posting strawmen, I'll keep posting pictures.

Alright, cool, let's play your game. Post quotes where I said either of these two things:

43 minutes ago, bonchie said:

1. Amazingly, as demonstrated by several others in this thread with experience, you are the only one that finds a 152 will climb straight ahead with no rudder after rotation.

2. You are also the only one who finds that a 152 will not veer left when power is applied on the ground with no rudder correction.

I'm eagerly awaiting your specific responses.