Navigraph and MSFS2020

[FPStewy 538]

When FS2020 updates does it wipe out the navigraph data ? does it need to be re-installed.

[JRBarrett 3,044]

11 minutes ago, FPStewy said:

When FS2020 updates does it wipe out the navigraph data ? does it need to be re-installed.

Since the Navigraph data lives in the Community folder, it should not be directly affected by an update to MSFS itself, but from reading of problems others have had, I think the best practice would be to move all content in the Community folder to a temporary backup folder, leaving the main folder empty before doing an update. This would be especially important with any of the popular aircraft or G-xxxx mods, as these are likely to become broken when the core sim is updated. In the case of the Working Title mods, they usually release updates compatible with a new MSFS version very quickly - often within a matter of hours.

[kaosfere 3,115]

Navigraph data should be fairly safe to keep in place during an upgrade, it contains nothing other than BGL overlays.     But starting with a clean slate never hurts, and it's easy as pie with Addons Linker.

[OSM 683]

 

[Virtual-Chris 682]

3 hours ago, OSM said:

 

I'm not sure what I should conclude from this?  Wouldn't it make more sense to compare with Navigraph 2020?

[airlinejets 709]

1 hour ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to compare with Navigraph 2020?

Navigraph 2011 is the cycle. 2020 11th month.

[Virtual-Chris 682]

42 minutes ago, airlinejets said:

Navigraph 2011 is the cycle. 2020 11th month.

Thanks, so what this is saying is that the MSFS nav data is pretty close to the Navigraph data?

[airlinejets 709]

9 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Thanks, so what this is saying is that the MSFS nav data is pretty close to the Navigraph data?

Yes, they are quite close. Navigraph uses Jeppesen for it's data, while NavBlue (part of the Airbus Group, they used to be called NavTech) is their own data. I actually mix and match both with success. I fly the Aerowinx PSX 747 which uses NavBlue,  I use Navigraph for flight planning with PFPX and Navigraph for ATC through Pilot2ATC.  It all works quite well together.

Navigraph also has charts for flight following which is great.

[OSM 683]

6 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I'm not sure what I should conclude from this?  Wouldn't it make more sense to compare with Navigraph 2020?

Navigraph navdata has more airports (+964) and more ILS Approaches (+255).

[Virtual-Chris 682]

9 minutes ago, OSM said:

Navigraph navdata has more airports (+964) and more ILS Approaches (+255).

True but it’s only a few percent more. It’s not like the MSFS data has a huge deficiency. The way people talk on this topic you get the impression that Navigraph is much better, not 2-5% better. It’s good to know the facts. Thanks for sharing that. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Virtual-Chris

[cwburnett 1,809]

4 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Thanks, so what this is saying is that the MSFS nav data is pretty close to the Navigraph data?

Navigraph enables many many other approaches not listed in the chart above. Additional RNAV, VOR and other non-ILS approaches. For example in default there are no approaches at all into Aspen. With Navigraph there are several available choices.

[OSM 683]

10 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

True but it’s only a few percent more. It’s not like the MSFS data has a huge deficiency. The way people talk on this topic you get the impression that Navigraph is much better, not 2-5% better. It’s good to know the facts. 

Yes, Navigraph nav data more accurate. I don't understand why Navigraph (Jeppesen) and NavBlue (Airbus) navdata different and, for instance, why NavBlue have not included almost 1000 airports?

Edited October 29, 2020 by OSM

[Virtual-Chris 682]

8 minutes ago, OSM said:

Yes, Navigraph nav data more accurate. I don't understand why Navigraph (Jeppesen) and NavBlue (Airbus) navdata different and for instance why NavBlue have not included 1000 airports?

NavBlue probably only include data for airports in the sim (or this stat you’ve shared is only counting airports in the sim). Certainly not every airport in the world is in the sim and having Nav data for airports not implemented isn’t adding anything. So how many of the extra Navigraph approaches and airports are not useful in this sim? We don’t really know. Certainly some missing approaches for those airports in the sim are helpful though. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Virtual-Chris

[OSM 683]

11 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

NavBlue probably only include data for airports in the sim (or this stat you’ve shared is only counting airports in the sim). Certainly not every airport in the world is in the sim and having Nav data for airports not implemented isn’t adding anything. So how many of the extra Navigraph approaches and airports are not useful in this sim? We don’t really know. Certainly some missing approaches for those airports in the sim are helpful though. 

Personally I don't understand NavBlue logic. They navdata included dozens closed airports and didn't include operational Airports and Approaches. NavData is not free art, it's math. 😀

Edited October 29, 2020 by OSM

[CJ1045 469]

Neither data set will ever be complete or 100% accurate - that is the nature of data gathering. Personally I use the Navigraph data as it then means all my NAV systems internal in MSFS and external in other apps is in sync. There is discussion on the Navigraph forum about data missing in the Navigraph data too. That is just the way the world is.